Posted on 05/08/2020 5:34:46 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I never realized before that Trump Derangement Syndrome was a political hurdle.
remdesivir sucks ass not much better than a placebo
yet govtards birx and fauxci push it
because?
they know it sucks compared to hcq and hcq wasn’t supposed to be discovered
it ruins their plans to keep states closed down and it ruins mail in voting pleas and universal income pleas and mandatory vaccines and tagging, and all the other commie bullshiite crap they wanted to push through
hcq is the monkey wrench that stops it
thats why libmedia and dems and these hillary lovers rail against it
RE: remdesivir sucks ass not much better than a placebo
I’m not against anything that works. Remdesivir DOES work under certain conditions.
I am also against opposition to drugs like Hydroxychloroquine that have been DEMONSTRATED to work.
Each of these drugs are part of the arsenal against Covid-19. No need to trash either one.
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Without the zinc, the Trump pills aren’t effective.
The entire situation with HCQ has become absurdly political which makes it almost impossible to figure out when and how to use it.
The level of discussion about this subject here is the worst I have ever seen and I’ve been here since 1998.
The disease is confusing, really just coming into focus after three months of hell. The window for antiviral action is very narrow, most of what happens is inflammatory and hematologic. How the virus causes this, and why it usually doesn’t remains to be learned. The “HCQ is a miracle drug that saves lives” people have retreated to “you have to give it early”, when, of course, most of these “early” patients are destined to recover with no treatment.
I’m reviewing 88 patients next week and if I learn anything I will comment.
The physician I’ve talked with uses HCQ, with the Z-pack (antibiotic for secondary infections), and Zinc. His belief is that the zinc may not be helpful, but it is definitely not harmful. In a hospital setting in this case.
He’s been directly involved with several cases.
Oh, there is some promise that the Trump pills might provide some prophylaxis as well, and I believe that a few in the medical community may be taking it for that purpose.
I only read the first several paragraphs. It is not just the US where there is foot dragging about hydroxychloroquine. Here in Kanadahar, you hear virtually NOTHING about it. Why? Because TDS is even bigger here than the US MSM!
Before the last election, True-dope gave $700 MILLION CDN to OUR MSM, to ‘help them during these challenging, turbulent times of media upheaval’. (Note: NOT a direct quote from government or True-dope.) So basically, the MSM is beholding to True-dope. Since True-dope can’t stand President Donald J. Trump, and PDJT talked about success with hydroxychloroquine, therefore True-dope NEVER talks about it and, like the lap dogs they are, the MSM in Kanadahar say NOTHING about the successes of this old, established drug.
If the lack of use of this drug in Kanadahar results in more deaths? They figure ‘So what?!’ Just more dead old farts. What do they, or the 45 year old man-child Prime Mistake care? It doesn’t affect them. Unfortunately, we have no such thing as impeachment.
The only problem with Hydroxychloroquine is that it is a 70-year old, widely proven drug that is cheap.
A cure that does not enrich the big-bureaucrat/big-pharmaceutical criminal complex is strictly verboten.
RE: The “HCQ is a miracle drug that saves lives” people have retreated to “you have to give it early”
1) It was NEVER called a miracle drug. Trump never used that word. It was used as a term to ridicule, a sarcastic pejorative against Trump for saying there is no harm in trying.
2) Every doctor who has tried it successfully for their patient say that it has to be used at the EARLY stage of the disease, as soon as symptoms appear and a positive Covid-19 diagnosis is established.
They never said that many patients won’t recover if they don’t take HCQ, they DID say that recovery is markedly accelerated when HCQ with Zinc is applied. They also said that in almost all cases, hospitalization is avoided.
RE: I’m reviewing 88 patients next week and if I learn anything I will comment.
My suggestion is to actually TALK to doctors who have used the drug successfully and bring up your questions ( the one that you just brought up in this thread ) with them. No need to re-invent the wheel.
Here are a few of them you can talk to ( I can’t put their telephone numbers here ), but I can mail them to you using FR’s mail facility:
* Dr. Vladimir Zelenko ( See here: https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/vladimir-zelenko-d0172276-3207-4517-a08c-629eafd8c8a4-overview )
* Dr. Stephen Smith ( He has his own clinic in New Jersey See here: https://www.smithcenternj.org/about-our-doctors/ )
* Dr. William Grace ( Lennox Hill Hospital, See here: https://health.usnews.com/doctors/william-grace-13317 )
* Dr. Anthony Cardillo ( Mend Urgent Care in Sherman Oaks,California )
Start with them and then get back to us to find out what you got.
Preprint of an observational study from Spain that might interest you if you haven’t seen it.
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0057/v1/download
Dr. Ban Truong of California is another having success with the hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin/doxycycline + zinc(although he uses a lower dosage of zinc than some of the others) treatment
Damn Straight !
The fervent desire for an effective treatment is understandable, as is the hope that the affable and charming Dr. Zelenko, an internist in Orange county New York of all places was the one to stumble on the treatment.
His explanation does indeed sound logical: early treatment of just about anything has long been a mantra that our medical professionals preach to us. Zelenko advises early treatment...not even waiting for a positive PCR result.
He addresses the issue of side effects by dosing at levels that are tolerated for years by lupus patients.
And he points out that no one could get rich by using his protocol, which can’t be said about some of the other treatments being tested and developed.
So that all makes sense to me from the point of view of why people would be enthusiastic about the “Zelenko Protocol”. Where it runs off of the rails into the fever swamp, IMHO, is with some folks who try to tie anti-vax conspiracy theories involving Bill Gates, Dr. Faucci and George Soros.
SPEAK ENGLISH
“Remdesivir DOES work under certain conditions.”
Yeah and cancer cures smoking. I like my kidney’s and liver thank you very much
RE: Dr. Ban Truong of California is another having success with the hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin/doxycycline + zinc(although he uses a lower dosage of zinc than some of the others) treatment
Thanks. Here’s his details if you want to contact him:
https://health.usnews.com/doctors/ban-truong-775344
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/04/16/newport-beach-elderly-coronavirus-survivors/
https://abc7.com/health/doctors-say-caution-needed-in-drug-treatment-for-covid-19/6082485/
https://aapsonline.org/hcq-90-percent-chance/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/80-patients-staff-members-come-coronavirus-texas-nursing-home-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-saves-1-patient/
https://www.wsbradio.com/news/local/video-year-old-covid-survivor-shares-his-story/BJlgWl3F7W5jcb8G79xycL/
https://www.gazettextra.com/news/local/local-woman-details-her-battle-with-covid-19/article_49490ada-6e2f-5e9f-b8ce-29051941d3d8.html
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/08/another-hydroxychloroquine-success-story-dr-marc-siegel-says-hydroxychloroquine-cured-96-year-old-father-coronavirus/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUpTxZrEaAM&feature=emb_logo
https://www.miindia.com/blog/details/michigan-doctor-treats-himself-to-beat-covid-19-1002
https://www.ntd.com/teen-challenge-pastor-recovers-from-covid-19-after-hydroxychloroquine_456727.html
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/04/21/torrance-doctor-recovers-from-coronavirus-credits-z-pack-zinc-hydroxychloroquine-treatments/
https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/si-coronavirus-diary-this-covid-19-survivor-says-hydroxychloroquine-helped-save-his-life.html
https://www.wamc.org/post/covid-19-survivor-i-was-ready-die
https://www.pix11.com/news/coronavirus/102-year-old-grandma-with-that-tough-new-york-spirit-survives-covid-19
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200419/Hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-treatment-in-80-COVID-19-patients-short-term-outcomes.aspx
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-hydroxychloroquine-help-fight-covid-19-one-trial-is-trying-to-find-out/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/elderly-woman-99-on-track-to-recover-from-coronavirus-after-taking-hydroxychloroquine
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/india-providing-hydroxychloroquine-drug-over-50-countries-coronavirus-full-list-608345
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/stop-using-hydroxychloroquine-to-politicize-physicians
https://internetprotocol.co/hype-news/2020/04/30/covid19-explanation-hcq-works/ (only 20 out of 65,000 Lupus patients get covid-19 - they take HCQ)
https://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/health/russia-to-treat-virus-cases-with-anti-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine/1931775/
https://www.scnow.com/news/health/hydroxychloroquine-trial-set-to-launch-at-musc-health/article_0ce32f0e-2fe1-56ba-956d-7158dc20c582.html
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/uoc—cta043020.php
https://surfguardcr.com/local-news/costa-rica/costa-rica-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilfattoquotidiano.it%2F2020%2F04%2F28%2Fcoronavirus-da-nord-a-sud-1039-pazienti-trattati-a-casa-con-idrossiclorochina-il-punto-sulla-sperimentazione-crollo-dei-ricoveri%2F5783544%2F
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/23/french-doctor-didier-raoult-cites-flaws-scientific-misconduct-in-recent-va-study-on-hydroxychloroquine/
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trials-effective-in-silencing-american-media
https://www.india.com/news/india/coronavirus-mumbais-dharavi-to-become-indias-stage-for-hydroxychloroquine-experiment-4005790/
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