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To: The Free Engineer

I will go much further than even Sundance.

Here is my best guess and I posted about it yesterday....

We know from the 702 FISA abuse report that there were many “contractors” for FBI, CIA, and NSA who had access to the raw information swept up by our intelligence agencies (primarily the NSA).

We know Admiral Rogers testified that he could not see all of this activity as the FBI searches were unknown to him -i.e. direct access.

I think, and some have said this, that Fusion GPS and Crowdstrike were two of these contractors who both had lucrative contracts with the DNC and eventually the Clinton campaign. As contractors for our intelligence agencies they would have access to the database. That is some opposition research isn’t it?

Remember the Michael Cohen went to Prague? What database was that in and why did it end up in the Fusion GPS product?

What if the real scandal, the reason all of this happened, is to prevent the discovery by the Trump administration that the Obama White House, in coordination with these contractors, was spying on all of their political opponents, journalists, and critics?

Think about it. It fits. We are potentially talking about thousands of “Watergates” and thousands of felony violations.

Who would have discovered this first? Flynn. They had to be rid of him. Who else might have discovered it? Sessions, they had to sideline him. Who was eating around the edges of this cookie? Nunes. They shut him down.

What was the goal of the Mueller investigation? To get rid of Trump and prevent him from exercising the full authority of his office. What if the real goal, unseen by all of us in the middle of partisan rancor, was to hide this?

What was the goal of the utterly absurd impeachment effort? To get rid of Trump after the Mueller investigation failed. It was even launched in coordination with those who brought about the Russian collusion delusion. It was baseless. Completely absurd on its face. Why were they so desperate?

We are possibly about to find out just how deep this went. Remember the statement by Schumer? Remember Maxine Waters admission about the Obama White House knowing everything?

Our government, under the control of one party, may have been spying on people for partisan political purposes in violation of our constitution and laws.

What if the Obama White House spied on Romney during the 2012 campaign and every GOP candidate afterwards? What if they spied on journalists to find “leaks” or “sources”?

What would happen if all of this came out? It would be ugly.... really ugly. In fact, I think some in the GOP knew this was happening and they too are afraid it will come out into the open (Graham - anyone?).

As bad as the Russian collusion delusion is, as bad as the treatment of Flynn and others were in hindsight, what if this is what they are really trying to hide?

I sincerely hope I am wrong about this. It would represent the biggest violation of civil liberties in our nations history.

For those of you who have not watched it, I would urge you to watch the movie “Snowden”. It is frightening if all of this is true and it must be stopped immediately. After 9/11 we gave the “government” enormous powers to “protect us”. Civil libertarians on both the right and the left expressed concerns about oversight (remember both democrats and republicans) and the potential of abuse.

What if the abuses have happened on a scale we cannot begin to imagine? Remember, they were certain of victory and retaining power in the White House. Is this why they made the mad scramble (that looks increasingly ridiculous by the day) to remove Trump and block him from learning all of this?

Just consider it all my “best guess.”


18 posted on 05/12/2020 10:46:39 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: volunbeer
Our government, under the control of one party, may have been spying on people for partisan political purposes in violation of our constitution and laws.

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one more time

20 posted on 05/12/2020 10:50:26 AM PDT by a little elbow grease ( ....... F.Lee Levin)
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To: volunbeer
What if the abuses have happened on a scale we cannot begin to imagine? Remember, they were certain of victory and retaining power in the White House. Is this why they made the mad scramble (that looks increasingly ridiculous by the day) to remove Trump and block him from learning all of this?

Just consider it all my “best guess.”

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...... a very good guess.

22 posted on 05/12/2020 10:52:23 AM PDT by a little elbow grease ( ....... F.Lee Levin)
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To: volunbeer

Maxine Waters let the cat out of the bag in 2013, she said Obama had the most massive database that anyone had ever had and it was very powerful.

No kidding.
He was using all the resources of the US government.
NSA, CIA, FBI, IRS, you name it.


31 posted on 05/12/2020 11:01:01 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: volunbeer

“I will go much further than even Sundance.”
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Great analysis...think you have a clear insight into the spying.

But, what about all this spying? Sure, they feared Trump might uncover the spying, but why?

I think this will eventually lead to the outright corruption employed by Obama, the Clintons, and the DNC.

By corruption, I mean the influence peddling for things like Uranium-1 and the transfer of military munitions, hardware, and information around the world.

The government/political mob was simply running a lucrative illegal fencing business....

...and selling out their country!


37 posted on 05/12/2020 11:11:46 AM PDT by MCEscherHammer
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To: volunbeer
What if the abuses have happened on a scale we cannot begin to imagine?

What if in a last, desperate attempt to cover themselves, the Deep State colluded with the ChiComs to infect the world with a deadly pathogen.

Nothing is out of bounds at this point in terms of speculation. These people are that evil.
52 posted on 05/12/2020 12:16:09 PM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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To: volunbeer

I think you’re a pretty good guesser.

L


58 posted on 05/12/2020 12:54:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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