I know that FReepers have been saying that there are no
other deaths reported these days. That's not really true.
That graphic lists total deaths. It's a decent sized number,
even compared to the COVID-19 numbers.
Posted on 05/14/2020 9:16:54 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The president and members of his task force are skeptical of the numbers and want the methodology changed.
President Donald Trump and members of his coronavirus task force are pushing officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to change how the agency works with states to count coronavirus-related deaths. And they’re pushing for revisions that could lead to far fewer deaths being counted than originally reported, according to five administration officials working on the government’s response to the pandemic.
Though he has previously publicly attested to the accuracy of the COVID-19 death count, the president in recent weeks has privately raised suspicion about the number of fatalities in the United States, which recently eclipsed 80,000 recorded deaths. In talks with top officials, Trump has suggested that those numbers could have been incorrectly tallied or even inflated by current methodology, two individuals with knowledge of those private comments said.
The White House has pressed the CDC, in particular, to work with states to change how they count coronavirus deaths and report them back to the federal government, according to two officials with knowledge of those conversations. And Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the administration’s coronavirus task force, has urged CDC officials to exclude from coronavirus death-count reporting some of those individuals who either do not have confirmed lab results and are presumed positive or who have the virus and may not have died as a direct result of it, according to three senior administration officials.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...
According to other knowledgeable sources, there is broader skepticism within the White House over how the CDC is compiling its data.
In a task-force meeting last week, officials relayed that Dr. Birx said she couldn’t trust the CDC’s numbers—on both case and death counts—because the reporting system it relied upon was flawed. She argued that the agency was likely overcounting. The Washington Post was the first to report on the meeting. Officials in the CDC said they were confused by the argument.
There has been a great miracle wrought upon our land!
No one is dying of heart attacks!
No one is dying from cancer!
No one is dying from complications of diabetes!
All of these have been erased ‘thanks” to a post-mortem swab for COVID 19!
G-d be praised!
/s
WAG system not working?
(Wild Ass Guess)
Read meat headline. The first sentence is more accurate.
Trump knows hospitals are cooking the books.
When people start breaking down coronavirus deaths vs. the drop in deaths from other diseases we'll clearly see the fraud.
I know that FReepers have been saying that there are no
other deaths reported these days. That's not really true.
That graphic lists total deaths. It's a decent sized number,
even compared to the COVID-19 numbers.
The second question I would ask is "What financial advantage is there to report a covid 19 death over other causes?"
Second, healthy amounts of deaths in the groups you touched on were documented.
As for a financial incentive, I don't know. It would seem to me that incentive would be geared to active cases more than fatalities.
Now just why would anyone count those who did NOT die from coronavirus, but died from other diseases and only with coronavirus, as coronavirus deaths?
Or simply presume coronavirus deaths without any lab testing whatsoever?
Yeah, funny turn on words there.
Big numbers that were ripe to be gamed if someone really
wanted to.
L8r 4
Medicare reimburses, or pays hospitals $39,000, for every COVID19 patient that died while on / receiving ventilator treatment.
80% of COVID19 ventilator patients succumb to death.
I encourage the verification of these figures.
I believe that when a non ventilator treated COVID19 patient
dies, Medicare reimburses hospitals $9,000.
to get clean useful numbers for public health, the current numbers should be “sanitized” by the following measures
first, there should be at least three counts: an official count, a possible count, and a separate nursing home death count.
#1. there has to be a positive pcr (not just an antibody igg) for covid19 to count it as an official covid19 death, preferably multiple positive tests to eliminate inaccurate testing, and help account for false diagnoses due to gov’t paid diagnoses of covid19.
#2. nursing home deaths with a positive covid19 test need to be thrown out of the official count, as many of them wouldn’t have died if the gov’t health authorities hadn’t enforced introduction and incubation of the virus with their lockdowns. those deaths should be counted in a separate count and called out as such.
#3. and significant-comorbidity (cancer, heart disease, etc.) should be counted as a possible covid19 death in a separate count from the official count, unless the actual cause of death by damage due to the virus in lung and vital organs is established by autopsy. those can then go in the official count.
#4 counts from certain states like ny and nj which are several times higher than the baseline count from the majority of other urban states, should be excluded from the official count. they should be put in the ***possible*** deaths count and maybe kept in a completely separate count of their own.
anyway, imo, this kind of analysis would be a start toward getting honest counts so that correct decisions about covid19 policy could be drawn.
I’m sure that the Daily Beast writers are certified/graduated statisticians who understand the “shell game” tactics that some at the CDC and at the state level use to fudge the COVI19 death figures upwards without substantial factual basis.
They keep changing the reporting methodology and thus get the higher (and anti-Trump) figures they want for the Left to have.
I’m running into a similar statistical Kabuki dance re Vietnam civilian casualty figures during the war because one of Sen. Ted Kennedy’s Sen. Judiciary Comm, subcommittees staff used figures from one year for reporting two years later on casualties/refugees, etc. when the No. Vietnamese invasion (1974) of I Corps changed everything (and it couldn’t be blamed on America because we had left, much to Ted the Traitor Kennedy’s chagrin. However, that didn’t stop his staffers from tampering with the figures.
There are honest estimates, guesstimates, and pure guesses. However, they have to be based on one agreed upon methodology of collection and evaluation. Anything less or else is like the horrible weather forecasts and hurricane path prediction models which have been so wrong over the past 5-7 years.
“...according to five administration officials working on the government’s response to the pandemic.”
Let me guess. One of the five is named Dr. Bright.
Yes, but on the negative side, I read that 88% of all blondes worldwide have disappeared because of 6 weeks of quarantine.
Looks like Worldometers is lumping three of the columns in this table to get their inflated total CV19 deaths.
I’m not a big fan of the CDC these days, but I think you can
shoot your theory down by comparing columns 2 and 8.
In eight they do group COVID-19, Pneumonia, and Influenza
deaths together. That number dwarfs the COVID-19 number in
column 2.
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