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To: wny

You make the classic YouTube lawyer mistake of thinking that the police are required to have suspicion of a “specific crime” to make contact with someone. They don’t. An officer can initiate contact with anyone l, anywhere at any time without any suspicion at all. They can’t detain you or force you to talk to them but they can go up to anyone, anywhere without any reason at all and start a voluntary encounter.

If the officer possesses reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot, they can make a terry stop. Contrary to YouTube lawyer speak, that does not require suspicion of a “specific” crime.

The courts consider all of the totality of the circumstances in determining if reasonable suspicion exists, and the threshold is not difficult to reach.

A person sitting alone in a car might be entirely innocent. A person sitting alone in a car in an open air drug market who is unusually nervous, making furtive movements and who acts in an aggressive manner when initially contacted can provide officers with reasonable suspicion to initiate a terry stop.

You need to actually read Terry v Ohio. Walking up and down a street sidewalk several times, looking in a store window and talking to two other people on a street are not criminal offenses either, yet that set of facts provided the officer with the reasonable suspicion to stop and frisk.


10 posted on 05/19/2020 6:07:18 AM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: TexasGurl24

You are Correct!!

However,

1. The kid was NOT required to produce ID for the COP, he did anyway, he could have said NO, NOBODY is required to Produce Identification unless the officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime or are about to commit a crime.

2. NOBODY is Required to allow the Police to Search their vehicle, as soon as the kid said NO, the cop immediately goes full gangster and Commits a FELONY AGGRAVATED ASSAULT against the Kid for simply asserting his rights.

3. They still Broke into his Vehicle and Searched it Illegally without cause, after Assaulting him and Falsely Imprisoning him against his will so they could break into his vehicle.

The COP belongs in Prison!!!


18 posted on 05/19/2020 7:06:02 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: TexasGurl24

If there was so much suspicion and probable cause, why did the cops fail to secure a search warrant for the vehicle?


29 posted on 05/19/2020 8:33:21 AM PDT by Meatspace
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