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To: stuckincali

Thanks for explaining.

“The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances:”

Do you know what do they mean by Unconscious Neck... in that line?


5 posted on 05/28/2020 6:44:43 PM PDT by DEPcom
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To: DEPcom

I don’t know their intent.

If you press the carotids with force you can make someone unconscious in 20-40 seconds if i recall correctly. If you maintain the hold longer, you can kill someone. We would only apply pressure if the officer’s life in danger in a situation where he/she had no options. We were in prison with 18-25 year old weight lifters, back in the say.

We taught and used the carotid. but LAPD broke a guys wind pipe and killed him. The officer’s forearm was against his throat. The proper move was pressure on the carotids to the side with the throat open in the crook of the elbow. Support him from behind and take him to the ground.

But the governor told all state agencies no more neck holds. That was in the 80s in Cal. Never saw anyone who had cuffed an inmate or parolee put knee to neck.


9 posted on 05/28/2020 6:54:58 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: DEPcom

https://www.policemag.com/341089/reconsidering-carotid-control

Notice no pressure on the front. Pressure on the sides.


10 posted on 05/28/2020 6:57:12 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: DEPcom

https://kyma.com/news/national-world/2020/05/28/the-knee-to-neck-move-used-to-restrain-george-floyd-isnt-encouraged-by-most-police-heres-why-some-law-enforcement-experts-say-its-a-dangerous-maneuver/


11 posted on 05/28/2020 6:58:49 PM PDT by stuckincali
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To: DEPcom

The lateral vascular neck restraint - basically a choke to render the person unconscious was a technique taught years ago. You see it in MMA. It was just below lethal force on on the use of force continuum and it has been abandoned by most departments. I would find it hard to believe that the videos I saw were something the officers were taught to do. If you use your weight with a knee it is applied to the shoulder of the person who is in custody or on their stomach. You are taught to never interfere with a person’s breathing and to monitor a person who fought or actively resisted for excited delirium or difficulty breathing.

A proper use of force is ALWAYS the minimum amount of force to respond to the threat and to place the person in custody.

This was very hard to watch. I always try to give the police the benefit of the doubt (it is a hard job) and know better than most the issues they deal with, but I cannot excuse this based on what I saw no matter what happened before the guy was cuffed and on his stomach.

That was awful.


14 posted on 05/28/2020 7:03:00 PM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: DEPcom

https://aztroopers.org/enews/force-science-study-on-vascular-neck-restraint


15 posted on 05/28/2020 7:05:02 PM PDT by stuckincali
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