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Thousands of Dutch COVID-19 patients likely have permanent lung damage, doctor says
nltimes.nl ^ | 5/28/20 | Janene Pieters

Posted on 05/29/2020 6:38:36 AM PDT by foreverfree

Thousands of Netherlands residents who recovered from Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus, may be left with permanent damage to their lungs, resulting in decreased capacity and more difficulty absorbing oxygen, Leon van den Toorn, pulmonologist chairman of the Dutch association of physicians for pulmonary disease and tuberculosis NVALT, said to newspaper AD.

Many people underestimate the consequences of the coronavirus Van den Toorn said to the newspaper. The virus and the body's response to it can cause permanent damage to the lungs, he said. "In severe cases, a kind of scar formation occurs, we call this lung fibrosis. The lungs shrink and the lung tissue becomes stiffer, making it harder to get enough oxygen."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ccpvirus; chinavirus; coronavirus; covid19; fibrosis; lungdamage; netherlands; wuhan
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A Dutch study, but it shows that not all CV symptoms are terminal.

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1 posted on 05/29/2020 6:38:36 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: foreverfree

What? A whole excerpt and they didn’t blame Trump?


2 posted on 05/29/2020 6:45:18 AM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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Thousands of Dutch COVID-19 patients likely have permanent lung damage, doctor says

I wonder if this study excluded those who are regular pot smokers, or even smokers in general?

3 posted on 05/29/2020 6:46:40 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Until I see them breaking rocks in the hot sun I'll be cleaning my guns!)
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Why does he say “may”, either it will or it won’t. A lot of predicted things “may” happen or may not!


4 posted on 05/29/2020 6:49:42 AM PDT by joltinjoe
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To: foreverfree

Destructive alveolar disease is the relatively new medical term to describe the probably permanent lung damage that is the residual of this terrible disease. Survivors have scarred lungs and diminished pulmonary capacity. Long term studies will demonstrate how vulnerable they may or may not be to further infections, decline and whether their mortality rate will increase compared to age controlled non infected persons. You simply don’t want to get this disease even if you are young and likely to recover. Hopefully there will soon be an effective vaccine.


5 posted on 05/29/2020 6:51:53 AM PDT by allendale
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To: foreverfree

the pulmonary scaring are signs not symptoms.

this Atrocity by Wuhan, Xi, Gates, Soros, FauXi and
the C-Dookhan-C is serious, and we know only
3 months info on a disease which is now in the
human DNA forever. Didn’t have to be there, did it?


6 posted on 05/29/2020 6:53:11 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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I was reading about this potential for lung damage back in February. This isn’t a revelation. It’s just starting to become more measurable. The question is, how prevalent is it. The mechanism for this has been known, as well as the separate but related process of the cytokine storm, which is usually results in the catastrophic decline in pulmonary function.

If it wasn’t for the possibility of permanent lung damage, I probably would scoff at covid19 and would have contracted it by now. I believe strongly that I am more than healthy enough to survive it. The big wildcard is how much lasting damage it does. It’s not the common cold


7 posted on 05/29/2020 6:54:18 AM PDT by z3n
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To: foreverfree

Well they should Sue the Chinese Communist Party


8 posted on 05/29/2020 6:56:41 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: z3n

the full panorama of devastation is not clear.

e.g. the release of Fe++ from hemoglobin yields not just
hypoxia but a free radical storm with tissue destruction
that is new to most clinicians, and horrible for the victim.


9 posted on 05/29/2020 6:58:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( WWG1WGA)
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To: foreverfree

Nattokinase, lumbrokinase, and serrapeptase supplements might be able to help some with addressing scarring aspects.


10 posted on 05/29/2020 6:58:52 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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I was reading about this potential for lung damage back in February. This isn’t a revelation. It’s just starting to become more measurable. The question is, how prevalent is it.

Yes. This concern has popped up fairly regularly for the past few months. I can't tell if anything is really "there". Does every survivor have the damage? If not, why not? How much can this be measured? It seems like a concern that has been floating around but not necessarily substantiated as a proven problem.

Do we need to prepare to deal with a lot of survivors who are very impaired? I can't tell.

11 posted on 05/29/2020 7:03:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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“Clinical and experimental observations suggest that chronic lung disease is linked to respiratory viral infection.“

Influenza A Virus Infection Causes Chronic Lung Disease Linked to Sites of Active Viral RNA Remnants

https://www.jimmunol.org/content/201/8/2354

We’re called FluBros, not ColdBros.


12 posted on 05/29/2020 7:08:52 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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“I wonder if this study excluded those who are regular pot smokers, or even smokers in general?”

Hah! That was my first thought as well.


13 posted on 05/29/2020 7:08:54 AM PDT by ryderann
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“... patients LIKELY have ling damage”

LIKELY. MAY. These fear reports throw in a lot of wiggle room and weasel words.

I guess no illness pre-WuFlu EVER impacted lungs permanently. Hubby and I picked up a bad case of pneumonia at church (we believe) in 2014. Since then, our lungs have been weak. Lung damage in 2014 - no big deal. Lung damage in early 2020 - fashionable and a political weapon.


14 posted on 05/29/2020 7:09:19 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Nothing happens to a Christian that God does not allow to happen.)
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To: foreverfree

The disease is not always pleasant even for the 99% who do not croak.


15 posted on 05/29/2020 7:17:16 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: foreverfree

I’ve had “Just the Flu, Bro”, but never lung damage from it. Perhaps this “Just the Flu, Bro” is a bit different?


16 posted on 05/29/2020 7:18:17 AM PDT by BobL
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To: foreverfree

“May be,” “likely,” etc.


17 posted on 05/29/2020 7:26:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You can't buy happiness, but you can buy books! (Washington County, UT, Library))
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To: BobL

Read post 12. The flu can also cause permanent lung damage.


18 posted on 05/29/2020 7:27:00 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

We’re called FluBros, not ColdBros.

more like Covidiots.


19 posted on 05/29/2020 7:54:03 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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You’re the Covidiot I’m afraid. A true believer though, I’ll give you that.


20 posted on 05/29/2020 7:57:51 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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