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To: robowombat

Their cause was wrong, but it’s also wrong to call them traitors. At the time, it wasn’t established that succession was not allowed. There was no precedent to draw upon. Suppose, when the Constitution was being formed, the southern states had been told that, once in/always in, no matter what. They most likely never would have joined the union, there would have been no civil war, and slavery could have lasted another 40 years.


38 posted on 06/09/2020 7:34:43 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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To: Socon-Econ; All
In order to escape the ‘new order’ of ‘fundamental transformation of this country’ peaceful separation via secession may be our last resort. Of course the neo-communist will pull out the Lincoln playbook and move for armed coercion this time calling on the UN for countries such as Nigeria, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, and Syria to provide unit and individual ‘peace keepers and peace enforcers’.
48 posted on 06/09/2020 7:43:03 PM PDT by robowombat (Orthodox)
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To: Socon-Econ
At the time, it wasn’t established that succession was not allowed. There was no precedent to draw upon.

Uh, you mean other than the separation from the United Kingdom which was a Union? We formed a Confederacy? We were a bunch of slave owning states? Had our armies led by a slave owning general from Virginia? Union forces (the British) offered freedom to the slaves if they would serve in the Union Army?

Any of that ringing a bell? Seems like a pretty good precedent for the idea that states can leave a Union, form a confederacy, and govern their own affairs.

The Declaration of Independence (our founding document) says that it is the right of all people to "dissolve the political bonds". It says this right is given by God.

So I disagree that there wasn't Precedent, and I disagree that the answer as to whether or not states had the right to do this hadn't yet been established. Yes, it was established in 1776.

77 posted on 06/09/2020 8:17:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Socon-Econ

The US Constitution, Section III, Article 3: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

Are you suggesting that these individuals (all general officers in the Confederate Army) didn’t levy war against the United States?


95 posted on 06/09/2020 9:20:32 PM PDT by Team Cuda
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To: Socon-Econ

Damn Good Point !

It was/is Nowhere established !


100 posted on 06/09/2020 10:24:23 PM PDT by A strike (" Was that wrong? Should I not have done this? " - Costanza)
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