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To: Ennis85

they’ doing this to erase Democrat history, and Democrat guilt


3 posted on 06/20/2020 2:54:07 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: Steely Tom
"they’ doing this to erase Democrat history, and Democrat guilt"

Problem is these people are like the Taliban. They won't stop there. They wan't to erase all history. It isn't even about history it is about anarchy.

No one benefits when we don't remember history. Good and bad. I bet they have some history they don't want us to discover either.

96 posted on 06/20/2020 3:28:14 PM PDT by Cannoneer ("Liberty means responsibility, that is why most men dread it." Geo B Shaw)
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We don’t want to forget our history: good and bad. Don’t want to repeat the bad, the evil.


103 posted on 06/20/2020 3:32:00 PM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: Steely Tom
"they’ doing this to erase Democrat history, and Democrat guilt"

The question is-Do we erase history?

Is that a good or bad idea?

(If you look at how Communists cover up history, in order to demoralize citizens, and control them, it looks like a bad idea.)

IMO removing this history takes away from the tremendous acheivements of black Americans, who, despite all the racism and horror inflicted on their people, triumphed and went on to success, and/or even defended our nation.

An example would be the recent decision to remove Aunt Jemima products.

She overcame being a slave, and was America's first black female millionaire.

How can it be good to remove her wonderful story from history?

The first smackdown of Hitler's master race BS, was when Jesse Owens won at the Munich Olympics.

The Tuskegee Airmen fought valiantly in WWII, along with hundreds of thousands of others, in all wars.

What is AMAZING is that they all did these things IN SPITE of the racism they endured.

How will future generations know what black Americans overcame, if slavery and Civil War history is censored, or taken away altogether?

But this is a discussion we need to have with black America, because anyone can see how the statues would be hurtful to them.

However, as you pointed out, the truth might be that the Democrat/Communist party IS NOT for these removals of history because "they care" about blacks, but, because they, (dems), are covering up what they did, and it doesn't matter how much damage they do, or how many get hurt, in the process.

(Then again, this is how the historically racist, corrupt, self serving Democrats operate. How I hope and pray people will wake up to the true nature of the Destructive Democrat party.)

Just my 2 cents

168 posted on 06/20/2020 5:43:12 PM PDT by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't oait. Do it today.)
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To: Steely Tom

Lowry has slipped back into being an anti-Trump, faux conservative.

A real conservative should stand up against book burning, censorship (other than relating to child/children pornography and other mental illness supporting actions), and “history by elimination”. That was what Stalin used to do, erase people from photos, books, records, etc.

I have no love for Confederate statues. In fact, I live not far from a street named for a Confederate general. I just don’t think about it. Other streets named for Confederate soldiers have been renamed (if done properly, I have no objection), but there are statues to Marx and Lenin, Stalin, Ho, Castro, etc. in the US, often on college campuses.

By the Left’s/pseudo-conservatives thinking, they are “untouchable” but those representing views they disagree with or hate, are fair game for “historical erasing”.

Put things in their proper perspective. You can explain a lot more things by using them as props for a sane, educated discussion than you can by erasing them from history.

As a historian, who lost a whole European side of the family to mass executions and possible gassing in the Holocaust, I don’t want Nazi symbols and publications destroyed or banned (except for vandalism).

I want them explained to their viewers/readers so that they know what they stand for, and have that help to make sure that Nazi Fascism/Genocide never happens against. That also applies to Communist Genocide and aggression (I was in So. Vietnam and Cambodia as a pro-American journalist).

I possibly know more about communist genocide in SE Asia than most so-called history teachers (and have written major works on the subject, including for Congress) yet I see universities such as Cornell having turned out the best Hanoi disinformation and apologists in the world, out of Prof. George McT. Kahins Southeast Asian program. Today guys like Turse, Moise, Young,Chomsky, Edwards, Porter and Ladderman remain some of the top sources of communist disinformation or just plain incompetent research, that are used in both high school and college courses on the Vietnam War.

Just for a point of order, I was the only journalist to testify before Congress about the Khmer Rouge plans for ideological genocide in Cambodia (1974) based on a Secret report I was able to get declassified on the subject and completely ignored by the mainstream media.

I lost new friends in both Cambodia and So. Vietnam to communist aggression and murder, as well as a former college fencing teammate, KIA, 1967.

Among my personal and professional friends, I have/had a number of concentration camp survivors, freedom fighters in the Resistance, US Army camp liberators, and journalists who saw the genocide first hand.

I am also one of the few Jewish journalists (that I know of) who attended a combined American Nazi/KKK rally in an undercover capacity. I knew real Nazis, white racists, and wackos, including Moslem/Arab/Palestinian supporters of genocide against the Jewish state of Israel.

One of my editor’s lost a son to Hezbollah and another just missed a PLO/JRA bomb explosion in a foreign country. I’ve also met one of the Mossad agents who physically captured Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, as well as an Israel who prosecuted him.

Another friend tried to deal with Eichmann in a trucks for kids deal which Eichmann never intended to do. Dr. William Perl then organized an escape “line” for Jewish children to get over the Alps and to Palestine or the US, thus saving an estimated 40,000 lives.

I also interviewed controversial Rabbi Meir Kahane in the mid-70s for two newspapers. He was murdered by an Al Qaeda operative in New York City in the early 90’s.

I’ve interviewed both No. Vietnamese POWS and defectors, VC defectors (Hoi Chans - ralliers), Cambodian civilian and govt intelligence agents who escaped from the VC/NVA, and one of Mao’s former bodyguards/Red Guard defector, as well as one of Mao’s early personal secretaries.

Also met a survivor of a No. Korean invasion attack that killed doctors and patients in a So. Korean hospital during the Korean War, Dith Pran and Hang Nagor (Cambodia survivors), lots of friends who were tortured in the Hanoi Hilton or survived VC death marches.

I did my homework, even going 8,000 miles away to field classes in SVN and Cambodia. If we are going to teach about the horrible My Lai massacre, then we must teach about what “haters” and practioners of Genocide did, said, wrote, and the symbols they used, not destroy them or hide them in closets.

You should never be afraid of the truth nor afraid to teach it. If you are a sane, concerned person, you can and will claim from the “bad” as well as the good, the “Ying and Yang” of history.

Don’t fear the evils of history. Learn from them so that you can help prevent them from ever occurring again.

Today, Black Lives Matter, Antifa, Sunrise Movement, the Black Bloc anarchists, and assorted communist/Marxist parties and organizations are doing just what the communists and Nazis did from the 1920’s thru Venezuela today, distort, hide, and destroy the “truth”.

They are afraid of the truth, because, as the old saying goes, “The truth shall set you free”, but don’t expect it from the NY Times, Wash. Post, Cable leftist news networks and in many history classes in academia.

As we Jews say, “Never Again!”


190 posted on 06/20/2020 11:35:08 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (??)
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