To: SmokingJoe
[Except that the Crimea has been part of Russia since 1783, and was only gifted to the Ukraine by Stalin in 1954, at a time when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the USSR. Ukraine has no historic claim to the Crimea. The Russians simply took back what belonged to them. Most of the people in the Crimea are Russian. The Crimea has been part of Russia for far longer than it’s been a part of the Ukraine.
I don’t see what the fuss is about. ]
Bringing up Russian talking points doesn’t really resolve the issue. Ukraine has been part of Russia since 1686. So perhaps Ukraine should be part of Russia. And Finland was conquered by Russia in 1809. So maybe Finland should simply resign itself to being a Russian oblast. Come to think of it - the Ottoman Empire owned Crimea for over 300 years, longer than it has ever been in Russia’s possession.
So maybe it should be Turkish territory. The point being that we are supposed to have moved into an era in which countries don’t acquire land by force. Because the moment that happens, then it is legit to punish the aggressor and break his country up, as was done to the Axis powers after WWII.
18 posted on
06/30/2020 5:12:59 PM PDT by
Zhang Fei
(My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
To: Zhang Fei
The point being that we are supposed to have moved into an era in which countries dont acquire land by force. Because the moment that happens, then it is legit to punish the aggressor and break his country up, as was done to the Axis powers after WWII. You must be joking. There isnt a country in the world over the last 50 years that has been more aggressive against sovereign nations than the United States. Does that mean we are due to be punished and broken up?
Wait dont bother answering that. I think I see the answer on TV every evening.
26 posted on
06/30/2020 5:33:25 PM PDT by
Alberta's Child
("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
To: Zhang Fei
Lots of countries have changed borders throughout history including the ex Yugoslavia (through war), Czechoslovakia and the USSR itself in the past 30 years alone yes.
But the Crimea wasn't sold to the Ukraine or acquired in a war or ceded to Ukraine. It was simply gifted and to them by Stalin because both the Ukraine and Russia were part of the sane country, the USSR. Once the USSR broke up it made sense to take the Crimea back.
Almost all the people of the Ukraine were Russian. They wanted to be part of Russia like they had been for almost 200 years.
I am not going to lose any sleep over Crimea returning to Russia.
It's long past time for Russia and the US to deescalate and move on.
G7 should be G8 and they will be sooner or later.
To: Zhang Fei
So thats why we arm the Kurds?
47 posted on
06/30/2020 6:11:32 PM PDT by
silverleaf
(Great Things Never Come from Comfort Zones)
To: Zhang Fei
The point being that we are supposed to have moved into an era in which countries dont acquire land by force
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I suppose we should be leaving one of the multitude of contries that we’ve conveniently dropped troops into over the last 50-70 years.
49 posted on
06/30/2020 6:14:17 PM PDT by
Bishop_Malachi
(Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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