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To: rlmorel

“Yes. The “Popular Vote Compact” is the next big crisis as I see it. It needs to be declared unconstitutional.”

It isn’t unconstitutional. This decision says that the states can tell the electors how to vote. Therefore they can tell the electors to vote for the National Popular Vote winner.


30 posted on 07/06/2020 7:58:03 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange
This decision says that the states can tell the electors how to vote.

The decision says that States can replace electors that do not vote in line with the will of the people. (If a state votes for Trump, the electors must therefore vote for Trump and if they do not, the electors will be replaced with someone who will.)

To me, this seems to fly in the face of the "National Popular Vote" compact which would take away the will of the people as expressed via their votes.

42 posted on 07/06/2020 8:05:01 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: FewsOrange
It isn’t unconstitutional. This decision says that the states can tell the electors how to vote. Therefore they can tell the electors to vote for the National Popular Vote winner.

That is the Left's argument and why the Compact was designed the way it is. But, it is still Unconstitutional. Compacts between states in Unconstitutional unless approved by the Congress and so if the Compact is triggered when the number of states required to meet the 270 electoral vote requirement, it cannot go into force without approval of the Congress. Of course, if the Democrats control both houses of Congress, they could approve it and elections would end as we know it. Senators would need to vote in the interest of the nation and their states and we know that the Democrat Senators will never do that.

56 posted on 07/06/2020 8:36:19 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: FewsOrange
It isn’t unconstitutional.

That's highly debatable. It is an interstate compact, yet it claims it will go into effect with Congressional consent. It also prohibits any member State from immediately withdrawing from the Compact. Today's decision says each State and DC decides if its electors are to be bound by a pledge. So if a member State wants to withdraw from the Compact, it can as soon as it wants.

Finally, by the Compact's terms, it doesn't go into effect unless States forming a majority of electoral votes sign on. Right now, not enough States have signed on and some Red States would have to sign on; that's unlikely to happen.

As of right now, the Compact is not in effect. If it ever gets enough States to join, it will be in court well beyond the election.

66 posted on 07/06/2020 9:06:44 AM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: FewsOrange; Publius

On the face of it, that simply doesn’t seem right, but I cannot argue it.

I live in a blue state, and it appears my only hope is that the candidate I support wins the national popular vote, and my electors have to gnash their teeth and cast their votes for my candidate?

More likely, they will amend the rules to say that they have to cast votes with the popular vote, but also have the option to vote as they please, which makes it a “Heads I win, Tails, you lose” setup.

That’s it? Those are my choices as an American? My vote already means absolutely squat.


91 posted on 07/06/2020 10:23:47 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies"- George Orwell)
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To: FewsOrange

“Therefore they can tell the electors to vote for the National Popular Vote winner.”

It’s unconstitutional.

As it has worked for the past 200+ years, a candidate in a given state wins the popular vote in that state and thus wins those electors as a winner takes all.

This compact will undo that. So candidate
“A” wins a given state by a landslide now faces losing that states electors (and possibly the overall election) because candidate “B” so-called “won” the national popular vote.

How many of those national popular votes are duplicates? How many are from illegals? How many are from other forms of voter fraud?

Take out the illegals and the dead people who were registered to vote from just LA County alone and President Trump would have “won” the popular vote too.


110 posted on 07/06/2020 12:51:33 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (Political Science degrees, so easy Obama has one.)
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