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To: stremba

Your analogy is wrong. America is nothing like the EU. The EU is a league among sovereign nations with a procedure for leaving it. The constitution is fundamental law with no procedure for leaving.


102 posted on 07/22/2020 10:27:22 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran

You missed my point. America IS a league of sovereign nations. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, Virginia, etc. WERE nations in precisely the same way that France, the UK, Germany , etc. are. Technically that’s still true although our legal and political systems have evolved in a way that pretty much has rendered that status null and void. The states are the sovereign entities, not the FedGov. The states have voluntarily delegated some of their inherent powers as sovereign states to a central government. Haven’t you ever wondered why we have “states” rather than districts, provinces, departments, etc. as our subdivisions? The term “state” is synonymous with “nation”, France is a state. Belgium is a state. Technically Pennsylvania and Kentucky have the same political status as France and Belgium— all are sovereign states. If a sovereign state agrees to voluntarily enter a league such as the EU, does it not have the right, by virtue of its sovereign status, to leave that league?

I understand that this conception of the US seems just wrong today. It IS wrong based on how our political system has evolved. The point is that in 1860 this conception was 100% accurate. The FedGov played very little role in most people’s lives. (Mail delivery was about the only thing most people would have seen from the Feds). Even armed forces, while authorized by the Feds were mostly recruited and governed at the state level. When Lincoln called for troops to put down the rebellion, STATES actually raised the troops. A person volunteering for service did not enroll in the US Army, as he would today. He enrolled in a state regiment, which was subsequently sent to the battlefield and integrated into a brigade in the larger army. If you had a time machine and asked a Civil War soldier where he was from, he’d never say America or the Confederacy. He’d tell you what state he was from.

In much the same way, it’s highly doubtful that if you asked a random person in Paris where he’s from that he’d say Europe or the EU. He’d say France. Who knows what will happen? Maybe 150 years from now the idea that France, Germany, etc. were independent governments at one time will seem just as incomprehensible to people as the notion that Virginia and South Carolina once were independent nations. That was the original concept of our Constitution though. States were to maintain their sovereign status and voluntarily delegate some powers to a central government. The fact that we’ve lost that concept doesn’t change anything. That was in fact one of the two fundamental changes caused by the war (the other obviously being abolition of slavery). Before the war, the US was not really a nation, but something very much like the modern EU.


169 posted on 07/23/2020 6:16:42 AM PDT by stremba
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To: OIFVeteran
The constitution is fundamental law with no procedure for leaving.

The procedure for leaving was explained in the Declaration of Independence, which *IS* the founding document of this nation. The US Constitution is the second addendum to it.

616 posted on 11/06/2020 4:26:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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