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To: FLT-bird

your actual citations don’t support your argument. Notice Virginia’s say; “declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.”

Notice they didn’t reserve the right to resume the powers to the people of Virginia, but to the people of the United States.

Now New York and Rhode Island also do not say the people of New York or Rhode Island, it only says to the people. As in “We the people”.

None of those ratification documents reserve any right to “secede” and are perfectly in line with this supreme court decision;

“The people made the constitution, and the people can unmake it. It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will. But this supreme and irresistible power to make or to unmake, resides only in the whole body of the people; not in any sub-division of them. The attempt of any of the parts to exercise it is usurpation, and ought to be repelled by those to whom the people have delegated their power of repelling it.” Cohens v Virginia


78 posted on 07/22/2020 9:04:31 AM PDT by OIFVeteran
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To: OIFVeteran
your actual citations don’t support your argument.

Oh but they do.

Notice Virginia’s say; “declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression.” Notice they didn’t reserve the right to resume the powers to the people of Virginia, but to the people of the United States.

The people is the people of each state acting in their highest sovereign capacity as Madison described them in the federalist papers. Each state is sovereign. Each state can secede - unilaterally.Now New York and Rhode Island also do not say the people of New York or Rhode Island, it only says to the people. As in “We the people”. None of those ratification documents reserve any right to “secede” and are perfectly in line with this supreme court decision;

Yes they do and were seen to be stating exactly that at the time they were passed. We the people of each sovereign state.“The people made the constitution, and the people can unmake it. It is the creature of their will, and lives only by their will. But this supreme and irresistible power to make or to unmake, resides only in the whole body of the people; not in any sub-division of them. The attempt of any of the parts to exercise it is usurpation, and ought to be repelled by those to whom the people have delegated their power of repelling it.” Cohens v Virginia

False. The people did not make the constitution. The states did. There was never some fictional "whole people" who ratified it. Again, sovereign states did individually and states reserved the right to unilaterally secede.

126 posted on 07/22/2020 3:47:03 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: OIFVeteran
Notice they didn’t reserve the right to resume the powers to the people of Virginia, but to the people of the United States.

Now New York and Rhode Island also do not say the people of New York or Rhode Island, it only says to the people. As in “We the people”.

None of those ratification documents reserve any right to “secede” and are perfectly in line with this supreme court decision;

You are experiencing cognitive dissonance here. What you are claiming their words mean, makes no sense. It only makes sense if those powers go back to their respective states.

You just want to believe what you want to believe, and you have a mental block preventing you from seeing it any other way.

And Rhode Island had to have it's arm twisted hard by the other states to force it to ratify the US Constitution a year after other states did so. They didn't want to ratify it at all.

609 posted on 11/06/2020 4:05:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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