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1 posted on 07/31/2020 8:38:13 PM PDT by RandFan
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Maybe if they hadn’t handed out $3 trillion, states wouldn’t have been so eager to shut down the economy.


2 posted on 07/31/2020 8:41:37 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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I think it’s about hurting the economy to hurt Trump.
Never-Trump GOP and Dems united. With the assurance that the media will hide what they’re doing.

The debt is kinda frightening though, but perspective is that we need to come out of this striding strong to lead the world, or pass to China.


3 posted on 07/31/2020 8:42:56 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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I bet 100% of these traitors are on board this week with importing Indians to take American jobs though. Right, Mitch.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/31/gop-senators-dhs-back-mike-lees-outsourcing-bill/


4 posted on 07/31/2020 8:45:23 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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“...my guys”.., Mitch???

MY guys!!!?

What sort of an operation are you running there?


8 posted on 07/31/2020 8:59:27 PM PDT by Oscar in Batangas ( January 20, 2017, High Noon. The end of an error.)
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Good.


10 posted on 07/31/2020 9:02:52 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: RandFan

Bookmark.


14 posted on 07/31/2020 9:05:08 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: RandFan

What good is holding the majority if you ignore a full 20 people


15 posted on 07/31/2020 9:07:27 PM PDT by wiseprince
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I think Freepers here are focusing on the impact on individuals who need financial help, but I suspect the contention over this bill is really driven by the much bigger issue of Federal assistance for state and local governments. Many of the senators opposed to the bill are likely motivated by the fact that they know damn well that no Democrat governor will ever lift any shutdown orders if he knows he can rely on Uncle Sam to make up all the lost income and sales tax revenue. THAT is the much bigger issue here, folks.


17 posted on 07/31/2020 9:34:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("We're human beings ... we're not f#%&ing animals." -- Dennis Rodman, 6/1/2020)
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Luck the last time in the middle of this crisis it was like pulling teeth to get anything passed

Pelosi tried to put a bunch of crap in it at the last second all got rejected

They finally cobble something together and passed it but that will never ever ever have it again this close to an election

Mark my words

No this just confirms that the Republicans don’t want to even give any more freebies away when we’re $22 trillion in debt and I don’t blame them

We need to put pressure on these idiot Democrats to get theirs Jack boots off the economy and let it open back up

they’ve already ruined probably half the businesses anyway with their antics


18 posted on 07/31/2020 9:37:39 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guv-mint you get is the Trump winning express ! Yea haw ! Trump pence II!)
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I’m one of them. We don’t need to be financing these shutdowns. It will hurt and there will be some undeserving victims but, for the long-term good of the economy, either stop the bailouts or make them narrow-targeted so we aren’t giving money to Planned Parenthood, Harvard and the Los Angeles Lakers like last time.


19 posted on 07/31/2020 10:09:58 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Face masks are simply mouth diapers for liberals.)
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If Trump is for it the RINO’s will be with the Communists.


21 posted on 07/31/2020 10:21:15 PM PDT by cabbieguy ("I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up"can't be counted)
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With the country about to be taken into the next 980 years of totalitarian horror if the communists win this election, any discussion about debt or balanced budgets is supremely ludicrous...

The time and place for debt and budget actions was 2-3 decades ago... The communists, as well as the closet-communists in the Republican party, have finagled and fiddled while the Nation's financial structure edroded and, now, burned...

This well-developed and coordinated strategy and implementation has almost certainly led to the eventual destruction of capitalism and a guaranteed communist U.S., if not now, very soon...

22 posted on 07/31/2020 10:22:06 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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Stop throwing money around, give us our tax cut, and we’ll talk.


24 posted on 07/31/2020 10:36:40 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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For several years now I’ve followed the perspective that the Federal Reserve is the most formidable adversary to the United States and its citizens.

With respect to what Congress is attempting to do now, I don’t care if they write a 10 trillion dollar bill.

There’s an old banking proverb that I have extended to the current era: “If you owe a bank millions, you have a problem; owe a bank billions, the bank has a problem; owe the bank trillions, the bank is toast.”

Take a good look at this:

https://usdebtclock.org

Now as your eyes gloss over, imprint this one fact on your brain:

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR AMERICANS TO EVER PAY OFF THEIR NATIONAL DEBT.

Each US Citizen owes more than $465,000 in national debt. An American family of four owes more than $1,860,000 of the national debt.

Can’t be paid.

Absorb the following facts:
1. The President wants a return to the gold standard.
2. The President nominated and the Senate approved Judy Shelton as a board member to the Federal Reserve.
3. Judy Shelton is in favor of returning to the gold standard.
4. Judy Shelton is in favor of bringing the Federal Reserve inside the Treasury Department and deactivating it.
5. The President prominently hung the portrait painting of President Andrew Jackson behind his desk in the Oval Office.
6. The President wants negative interest rates.
7. The United States is now the largest producer of Oil and Natural Gas in the world and holds more proven petroleum reserves than any country on Earth. Its NG reserves dwarf anything else on the planet.

Consider the following:

Refinance all of the national debt and more for a total of $50 Trillion in federal reserve note currency at an interest rate of -6.5%.

The Federal Reserve will then pay the United States Treasury $3.25 Trillion per year.

The $1 Trillion dollar federal deficit will be wiped out in less than 4 months, allowing for lowering taxes on Americans by at least 25% across the board.

The negative interest rate revenue added to the growth of tax revenue from lower taxes stimulating the economy will top $7 Trillion per year leaving a budget surplus of at least $2.5 Trillion.

Four years of applying such budget surpluses will total a $10 Trillion reduction, and when used to pay down the national debt will leave $12 Trillion remaining achieving a Debt to GDP ratio of 12:22 or less than 55% down from current 106%.

Concurrently issuing Treasury-issued US Notes indexed to gold replacing the fiat federal reserve notes gives the United States great flexibility to leverage its oil and natural gas dominance to further reduce its national debt and liabilities per citizen and to preserve and protect purchasing power.

The extra initial borrowing of $50 Trillion less $22 Trillion US Debt yielding a negative interest rate asset of $28 Trillion can be held on the books and used to offset any remaining national debt.

At the end of the transition from the fiat federal reserve currency to the US Note currency, the $28 Trillion negative interest rate asset held on the books can pay off the remaining $12 Trillion in national debt at a net $28 - $12 = $16 Trillion in US reverse bond assets.

Distributing the reverse bond asset of $16 Trillion across 330 million citizens yields $48,000 for each citizen or nearly $200,000 for a family of four.

To offset inflation, the reset of fiat currency to gold indexed currency leveraged with the oil and NG dominance allows the US purchasing power to remain strong, thus deflating inflationary pressures.

Americans learning how to make things again, repatriating American manufacturing will further reduce the balance of payments and further boost US purchasing power.

Bottom line is America enters a Golden Age. The President has used precisely this description of where he will lead the country.

The Great Trump Reset.


32 posted on 08/01/2020 12:40:38 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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What's happened here is that the political environment has deteriorated significantly.

The political environment is no worse and no better than it has been for the last 20 years.

43 posted on 08/01/2020 4:14:20 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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"I think there are 15-20 of my guys that are not going to vote for anything. ...

yes, but they will vote for anything that lines their own pockets
and bill the tax payers for everything they enjoy, using taxpayer money
including taking random trips with bar tabs an arms length long.

It's only okay to spend taxpayer's money the way they decide...when they decide.

Taxpayer's have worked like animals for crap money.
Been forced to feed children in other countries and support the dregs of society in projects around the world.

But they're not supposed to put their hand out and ask for a return of what they've been paying for when they're forced to stop working?

The politicians (and their minions) tell the serfs to get back to work.
They shove the kids back into those indoctrination buildings,
where the worse danger is what they're forced to learn, (and tolerate).

All so they can spend more they way they feel like.

I don't see people accepting that anymore.
53 posted on 08/01/2020 4:49:17 AM PDT by novemberslady
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Aside from creating money out of thin air- what could go wrong-, these big ultrapork sandwiches are simply early Christmas grab bags for Marxist gimmes.

Let’s quit with all of this spending.


66 posted on 08/01/2020 8:14:24 AM PDT by lurk
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Good! No more money, reopen the States!


72 posted on 08/01/2020 12:41:50 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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