I'm ready to call our sister in the movement for justice Madam Vice President Kamala Harris

CNN ^ | 6:46 PM ET, Sat August 1, 2020 | Ben Crump

[Quality_Not_Quantity]

thanks for the education!

[BunnySlippers]

Finally, why is she considered black?
Is she black?

[kiryandil]

She's been a change agent at every level of government -- local, state, and federal -- for 30 years.

Don't forget "a change agent" for Willie Brown's Big Willie...

[G Larry]

There is only one yardstick in use and its not the one you prefer.

[captmar-vell]

Moloch owes her power and authority,

Never forget this vile arrogant loose reprobate serves Baal, she is the one who sent eleven Brownshirt agents illegally to intimidate David Daleiden whose only crime was exposing Planned Parenthood for their genocide against babies and their selling of baby parts.

[Cowgirl of Justice]

I heard she was good on her knees...

[Cowgirl of Justice]

That has nothing to do with her eligibility to be President of the United States.

[palmer]

1875

1875 was considerably after the founders. Do you have any references from their era that indicate that natural born means two citizen parents? I realize that wasn't possible in the new US so references from other countires would work fine, even if they are translations from another language.

Vatel says "In a more confined sense, and more agreeably to its etymology, this term signifies the state, or even more particularly the town or place, where our parents had their fixed residence at the moment of our birth. In this sense, it is justly said, that our country cannot be changed, and always remains the same, to whatsoever place we may afterwards remove. A man ought to preserve gratitude and affection for the state to which [154] he is indebted for his education, and of which his parents were members when they gave him birth. " which is a useful criteria but Vatel doesn't speciifically give a definition.

It's reasonable to believe that "natural born" means two citizen parents , but I want more than jjust a belief.

[palmer]

Words mean things and natural means of or by nature as opposed to of or by man. The only type citizen whose citizenship does not depend on man's law is a natural born Citizen. All other citizen type are citizens by law, i.e., statutory born citizens.

Phrases like natural born do mean something. Otherwise they would have use the term citizen as elsewhere in the Constitution. The question is what does natual born mean. I'm looking for a contemporary reference. If that's not possible, then fine, but it falls into the category of "I believe that's what they meant".

[Lurkinanloomin]

This website may be of some help

http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/index.html

[palmer]

From the website: In Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, of the English translation of 1797 (p. 110) Vattel describes what is meant by the term Natural Born Citizen: The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

Chap 19, section 212, p 188, "The natives or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

Thanks for the reference.

[elengr]

Phrases like natural born do mean something. Otherwise they would have use the term citizen as elsewhere in the Constitution. The question is what does natual born mean. I'm looking for a contemporary reference. If that's not possible, then fine, but it falls into the category of "I believe that's what they meant".

Occam's razor says that you are a willfully obtuse troll by not accepting the simplest, most straightforward, logical and obvious definition of the adjective "natural," i.e., by nature, not by man.

I am not going to do your homework for you, but the Founders considered making the requirement just "born citizen," but rejected it. Why?

[palmer]

I read Vattel (bought the e-book) and found the definition of "natural born" as born in the country to two citizen parents. I did my homework and I accept that the phrase in the Constitution means born to two citizen parents, based on Vattel.

[GoldenPup]

What I know is that amidst the fraught forces swirling inside our systems and this country, Harris is a force for good.

Yup, and she did most of it on her back !

[VideoDoctor]

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