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The Long, Sad Saga of Hydroxychloroquine: HCQ hasn’t received fair treatment in many quarters, including, unfortunately, some of the health experts advising the government on Covid-19
National Review ^ | 08/22/2020 | Jim Talent

Posted on 08/22/2020 9:38:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I want to make sure NR readers don’t miss this essay from Norman Doidge. It’s the best thing I’ve read on hydroxychloroquine. But beware: The piece is long and fascinating. Once you start reading, you won’t be able to stop, and it takes a good half hour to finish.

Doidge tells the tale of hydroxychloroquine, or HCQ as he calls it, as if the drug were a character in a story. His main point is that HCQ hasn’t received fair treatment in many quarters, including, unfortunately, some of the health experts advising the government of the United States. The main reasons are the intrusion of politics into medicine, the pitfalls and limitations of big data in medical science, and the over-reliance of many experts on random controlled testing to the exclusion of other kinds of evidence.

Doidge manages to make even a discussion of research methodology interesting. Here is a sample:

We now have studies that show one of the weaknesses of RCTs (random controlled testing) is that in the quest to eliminate confounding factors, they end up, in a majority of cases, excluding patients who are typical of those in the population. The RCT evangelist focuses only on the RCT strengths, and forgets their weaknesses. A typical RCT describes several data points about hundreds of patients. It can be helpful in determining what treatment might work for most people in a large population. A typical case history describes perhaps hundreds of data points about a single patient. Its focus might be on what treatment might work best for this patient. Sometimes we need all that information about a patient, to choose a proper treatment, because individual patients differ, often in decisive ways.

Patients are not “several data points.” There are multiple good reasons that the medical curriculum and major journals and texts publish RCTs, observational studies, case histories, and other designs, and why most physicians with experience will use what I would call the “all-available-evidence” approach and take, as appropriate, what they can learn from different kinds of studies, and of course everything they know about their own patient in front of them, to decide on a treatment. That is what personalized medicine is about. RCT fundamentalists — who believe only in their randomized data and essentially argue for throwing away everything else — pose as people simply expressing the conventional view: All you need is one tool. But in practice, they are way outside it. When the teacher tells you to quit paying so much attention to the fullness of your experience, pay more attention to why he might be saying so.

Doidge makes a powerful point in his conclusion: that the same medical community which is telling us that HCQ is dangerous — even though it has been in common use for 60 years — may in a few months be telling us that a vaccine developed in record time is completely safe.

If you think this year’s controversy is bad, consider that hydroxychloroquine is given to relatively few people with COVID-19, all sick, many with nothing to lose. It enters the body, leaves fairly quickly, and has been known to us for decades. COVID vaccines, which advocates will want to be mandatory and given to all people — healthy and not, young and old — are being rushed past their normal safety precautions and regulations, and the typical five-to-ten-year observation period is being waived to get “Operation Warp Speed” done as soon as possible. This is being done with the endorsement of public-health officials — the same ones, in many cases, who are saying HCQ is suddenly extremely dangerous.

This outstanding article reinforced an opinion I had already reached. I think HCQ has therapeutic benefits in treating COVID-19; I’m confident that, used with proper medical oversight, it’s harmless.

Read the whole thing.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: covid19; hcq; hcqnews; hcqtreatment; hydroxychloroquine

1 posted on 08/22/2020 9:38:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Mrs. Don-o; tellw; Huskrrrr; Jane Long; Freedom'sWorthIt; Freedom56v2; BDParrish

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2 posted on 08/22/2020 9:39:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind


3 posted on 08/22/2020 9:42:14 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler ("All men and women created by - go - you know, you know - the thing")
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To: SeekAndFind

Government is far removed from having the best and brightest run it. There are exceptions but most politicians ignore wisdom or choose to have morons advise them.


4 posted on 08/22/2020 9:45:41 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Hydroxychloroquine is why Uganda, with a population of 43M, has only 15 COVID-19 deaths

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-why-uganda-with-a-population-of-43m-has-only-15-covid-19-deaths

Worth the read and so far the info is accurate....still reading.


5 posted on 08/22/2020 9:48:49 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights .........It is the LAW.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“Dead Zone TV Show (2003) Mentions Coronavirus and the cure being Chloroquine.“

The Dead Zone - Season 02 Episode 14: “Plague”

6 posted on 08/22/2020 9:55:36 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A drug that's been in use for decades in advanced countries.I took it years ago as malaria prophylaxis.And yet doctors are *forbidden* to use it...in at least some states.

You've gotta wonder what financial connections that government bureaucrat,Fauci,might have with various drug companies!

7 posted on 08/22/2020 10:04:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hydroxychloroquine is why Uganda, with a population of 43M, has only 15 COVID-19 deaths
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-why-uganda-with-a-population-of-43m-has-only-15-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR1FLy1PoiJh7niVKwUHxeVnUuQwbvWMUOzWyY4ZEkMbSCh53TWnkMdhhbc


8 posted on 08/22/2020 10:15:49 AM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: SeekAndFind

Hydroxychloroquine is why Uganda, with a population of 43M, has only 15 COVID-19 deaths
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/hydroxychloroquine-is-why-uganda-with-a-population-of-43m-has-only-15-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR1FLy1PoiJh7niVKwUHxeVnUuQwbvWMUOzWyY4ZEkMbSCh53TWnkMdhhbc


9 posted on 08/22/2020 10:17:09 AM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: SeekAndFind

If we were to advise everyone to take the HCQ+AZT+ZINC, How would we ever make a Billion Dollars for the cure??


10 posted on 08/22/2020 10:23:44 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this!


11 posted on 08/22/2020 10:24:32 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump too, is somewhat to blame for the insanity.

The Warp Speed first mission should have been to stop the bleeding - get HCQ approved for OTC purchase!

Is this America or not? There is no reason I should not be able to buy this safe product at Walmart without mucking around with docs and pharmacists.

Dr Z is correct. People are not dying from the virus. They are dying from politics.


12 posted on 08/22/2020 10:48:44 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doidge makes a powerful point in his conclusion: that the same medical community which is telling us that HCQ is dangerous — even though it has been in common use for 60 years — may in a few months be telling us that a vaccine developed in record time is completely safe.

Because cha-ching!


13 posted on 08/22/2020 11:05:32 AM PDT by Flick Lives (My work's illegal, but at least it's honest. - Capt. Malcolm Reynolds)
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To: SeekAndFind

Simple solution to the pandemic,,,,Make HCQ and Azithromycin OTC drugs so anyone who develops a cough and/or fever can go the nearest drug store and self medicate with the drugs along with Zinc Sulfate with correct dosage within 48 hours of symptoms and pandemic over.,,,,,instead of waiting a few days to get tested and 5 days for the results,,,,if over 60 years of age,,,,you’re dead.


14 posted on 08/22/2020 1:25:39 PM PDT by chopperk (L)
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To: SeekAndFind

Two reasons:

1. President trump likes it.
2. Big Pharma can’t make money from it.


15 posted on 08/22/2020 1:38:10 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think the lesson is the Deep State bureaucracy will kill you to further their ideology.


16 posted on 08/22/2020 2:41:19 PM PDT by joshua c
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To: Phx_RC

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17 posted on 08/23/2020 5:59:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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