Posted on 09/04/2020 6:46:59 PM PDT by thecodont
Agreed.
Thank you for that. Much better than the crap at the link.
Watch the name calling.
The comment I replied to wasn't "in the context of this story". And you might want to read the story a little more.
What I replied to only said that bats were dangerous, which in the context of this thread implies the shooting was justified because he had a bat.
BTW, intent, means and opportunity aren't really the three things.
In the words of Jim Carrey’s character in “Liar Liar”:
“QUIT BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!”
CC
Intent, means and opportunity at one time was what was taught at the agency that I work for. The use of force policy has since been updated so those three things are no longer the standard, but they are relevant.
Crump is the ambulance-chasing publicity and moneygrubbing legal counterpart to “the Rev” Al Sharpton, the pathological whitey-hating extortionist, accessory before the fact to murder, race-agitator, civil rights faker, marxist fronts supporter (esp. CPUSA and WWP), and favorite of Black Democrat radicals.
He should have been disbarred many years ago. Shows you just how corrupt our legal/judicial system and bar groups have become.
bite me
The emerging pattern: if a police officer shoots a black man (fatally or not), charge him or her with some form of attempted or actual murder and let the jury decide.
Just toss the laws concerning justified use of deadly force for police officers and citizens out the window. Completely evade prosecutorial discretion; everybody is charged, the politicians bloviate, and the community decides.
How would you like to have that hanging over your head when you went to work?
Defund the police? Ha! They’ll have to double salaries (or more) to recruit enough officers. The police unions will become zealous “work to rule” advocates.
The San Francisco model for non-prosecution of theft will spread along with lawlessness and vigilantism. But all the politicians will retreat into their guarded enclaves where it will be rainbows and unicorns so long as the voters always vote for them.
And THEN comes the revolution.
Are you a leftist or something? Of course they would be subject to being shot if they were using it in a destructive or threatening manner.
Wasn’t this applied in some way to the military under BO, that there were rules of engagement applied that basically kept the hands of U.S. forces tied? Not good for effectiveness or morale for our armed forces. This is more of the same.
And as for “the San Francisco model for non-prosecution of theft,” I was in a San Francisco Walgreens drugstore some months ago and stared in fascination as a couple of twentysomethings, one male and one female, went to the store racks and just helped themselves and walked out.
And a go fund me account
“The parents don’t want justice, they want revenge.”
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I don’t think it’s about revenge. I believe it’s all about getting the money.
Many families know they have a person with issues that presents a threat to society. They also know they can probably milk a city for millions if given the right opportunity.
If either of my sons was a physical threat to someone or some folks, I would have to think long and hard about pressing charges. Even if at some point I thought it could have been handled differently, because it was my son’s actions that set it all up.
Then again, I also believe if a son of mine broke into a yard and drowned himself in a pool, the owner of the pool would NOT be at fault; that it would have been my son’s actions that caused his own death.
Old fashioned. I’m old fashioned.
IMHO, your post #19 has it right. Just watched the video that shows different angles (including bodycam) of the shooting. After being tased, the man does step toward the officer, but he is holding the bat downward, as you said. To me, at that point, he behaves as if he’s about to collapse after being tased. I’ve never walked in an officer’s shoes making these split-second decisions. Just giving my impression.
I watched the vids (all I could find) several times. The deceased was at the moment of the shot in no position / posture to crack the officer with the bat. And the officer appears to have had plenty of room to give ground. A 2nd officer has shown up, plus I assume store security is still close (I don’t see them at the moment of the shot, however.) Certainly no one else is at immediate risk. If no shot, 10 seconds later who knows, but that’s speculation. The deceased does more backing away from the gun than anything else. When he’s shot, he IS moving forward, sort of, but he seems to be ill-coordinately trying to get around the officer, off balance against that shelf-wall (or whatever the stores call them) he ran into.
In all these cases, I try to put myself in the shoes of the officer(s). In the Jacob Blake case, Blake has a knife (visible in one vid) & dives into a car with kids in it - yeah, I take that shot(s). Lavoy Finnicum, that kid in the hotel hallway in Vegas, this guy... No way. If the deceased had been in a position to take a swing, it’s a different story. But here... SOME risk to preserve life, even that of a perp, is part of my job. God asks it, and I think most of the public does too... There certainly seemed to still be opportunity to de-escalate, here.
Different question for anyone who knows: Drugs or no, assuming the voltage gets there (no issue of broken wires or a low battery - maintenance issues the police are responsible for), how the heck does the voltage NOT cause at least SOME involuntary muscle spasms? It’s one thing to “push through” something like that, but quite another to have NO reaction at all. Specific research, please, not just “it’s the drugs”: It seems impossible to have no reaction at all if one gets a good Taser jolt while functional enough to be walking around seconds prior. But maybe I’m wrong.
Agreed, except either there’s a cumulative effect of a Taser* - in which case police absolutely should know that and give it time to work if at all possible, or, the Taser had no effect at all (see my post just above), and the deceased near collapse from whatever he was on.
*Seems unlikely. From personal experience - have been zapped a few times (not by a Taser, tho’!) in my younger less cautious days - with electricity sufficient to “hurt you”, the effect hits instantly.
IMO, this whole thing was not racism, it was, except for the accuracy of the shot, crap training and performance.
If you are a black citizen and consider yourself to be American, then you must vote for Donald Trump and the Republican congressional candidate.
If you vote for the progressives, the liberals, the terrorist supporters, you have forfeited your rights,especially the right to call your self American.
“convenient witness” in that case was a false witness.
The person on the phone with TM was Eugene Diamond, his actual girlfriend
but she refused to testify, so the corrupt Crump substituted the coached false witness Jeantel.
This corruption has only recently come to light.
I just realized that I made a hell of a typo in the original post. It was MEANT to be: “They want to be African? Then get out. Go back. We don’t need ‘em”.
I did NOT intend to use “American” until the next line (”They want to be AMerican? Let them go to ALlen West to learn how”). Embarrassing.
All — once more I’ve been a nimrod. I re-read my original comment again, and realized that I actually DIDN’T make a typo after all. So disregard the comment from me immediately prior to this one.
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