Posted on 09/13/2020 5:22:27 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
I would agree its about time, but this report, given its origin may be a trial balloon by the Saudis
(www.arabnews.com is owned by Turki bin Salman Al Saud, a prominent member of the Saudi Royal Family, which makes www.arabnews.com something like a house organ for the house of Saud and the Saudi government).
The Saudis, Egypt and Jordan, among others, are all getting restless over military and diplomatic adventures by Erdogan in the region, and Erdogan, like Qatar is the only other Muslim official state backer of the Muslim Brotherhood, which the Saudis see as an existential threat to them.
In sum, the Saudis likely want to see Erdogan’s sails trimmed, and without any attribution from any American source, it could be the Saudis themselves starting the rumor about Incirlik air base.
I could be wrong, we’ll see.
Ottoman-chief-wannabe-Erdogan wants to be the 3-foot-tall-bully, while big-brother-America keeps telling him ‘no!’
So, America pulls out, Erdoganbully is on his own, AND, without all that American money he used to get!
I always considered Turgut Özal the best, most trustworthy Turkish president ever.
Too bad he died in 1993 when he was starting to get world popularity.
I know of nothing that supports the idea that the Joint Chiefs opposed the expansion of NATO in February 1952. Admitting Greece and Turkey strengthened Europe's southern flank.
In 1952 it was a good idea. Now not so much. Anyway NATO in its present form is obsolete.
Get those nuclear bombs out of there immediately!!!!
Oldie but goodie....
If Russia attacks Turkey from the rear
Will Greece help?
I'm wondering when humanity will learn that there's no such thing as a "good" Musloid country.
Romania.
I favored the base in turkey but they’ve gone renegade and are threatening or invading almost every other country in the area. Islam is terribly dangerous and must be defeated if we are to survive, period.
“I hope they got the nukes out of there already.”
Some months back were rumors they have been removed but I have nothing to substantiate this, not even the “reliable sources” the Atlantic uses.
“Why we put nukes into a muz country is baffling to me.”
Worse than that, trying to transfer the weapons, over 50, from Incirlik is going to be a diplomatic and paperwork nightmare that is going to take a long time to get accomplished.. Both the Non-Aligned Movement and critics within NATO believe that NATO’s nuclear sharing violates Articles I and II of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which prohibit the transfer and the acceptance of direct or indirect control, respectively, over nuclear weapons. The United States insists that its forces control the weapons and that no transfer of the nuclear bombs or control over them is intended “unless and until a decision were made to go to war, at which the NPT would no longer be controlling”, so there is no breach of the NPT. And all the nations that wish will determine the movement as a precursor to war and fall into a defensive position....China, Russia, North Korea....long list. And it won’t make any difference as when the treaty was established in the 1960’s, there was mistrust then also. So now it’s going to be a diplomatic, I hope only, nightmare. Get ready for everyone to do a buildup on borders even worse than it is now....everyone’s.
rwood
“The whole thing only went bad with Erdogan.”
Turkey was on the way up before he came to power. NO they are hated.
Good!......but we’ve got to pull the nukes out of Turkey also.
Why we put nukes into a muz country is baffling to me.
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At the time turkey was a secular muslim country with the emphasis on secular, but they always found a way to screw things up for us militarily by finding some regulation of new law than stopped something we needed in the cold war from happening.
That is how I view it. Turkish muslims had been more secularized, because one of their own (Ataturk) had a big head start. Iran had a possibility to go down that same road, and that ended when Carter abandoned the Shah.
We, and our NATO allies, have been preparing alternative options to Incirlik in earnest, since the attempted Coup in July of 2016.
Incirlik is one of the cards that Erdogan repeatedly plays, to avoid accountability for his misdeeds (holding or releasing muslim refugees into Europe is his other big trump card).
If we pull out of Incirlik, Erdogan loses a lot of leverage. Now that the ISIS Caliphate has been liberated, we have little current need for that base.
Yep....and he cant do that without nukes. He has stated that he wants the US nuclear weapons to stay in Turkey. One day he may make a grab for them. Luckily we have NNSA OST guarding them along with SF at the WSAs.
Some kind of radio listening post, I suppose
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Air force intel collection point - where data from Trabzon (a listening post) and others was analyzed
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Makes sense. Relocate to Poland? Greece?
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