‘Maskless flash mob’ marches through Target shouting ‘Take off that mask’

NYP ^ | September 16, 2020 | Jackie Salo

[george76]

Confirmed coronavirus cases from Nashville’s bars and restaurants were so low that the Tennessee city’s Metro Health Department decided to withhold the data from the public

[george76]

Fauci likes the Bill Gates globalist idea of slaves (formerly know as citizens) carrying “certificates of immunity” permission by the Deep State to travel (like the yellow star of David) .. (chip in your skin) .

[voicereason]

I am sorry if it made some of the Karen’s uncomfortable.

Seems to more and more of them popping up on FR.

[JimRed]

I have not darkened the door of a Target since the males-in-the-ladies-room fiasco.

[Maris Crane]

Okay, a Karen

hates masks

likes masks

?

[zeugma]

Most of the Karens I’ve come into contact with are mask nazis. It would be nice if the bed wetters could just stay hidden under their beds and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

[FormerFRLurker]

The number of people on here who are triggered by my refusal to toe the flubro/flubra line and subsequent choice to wear a mask just proves my point: that they are banging on the table because the facts aren't on their side.

"A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/

""There is some evidence to support the wearing of masks or respirators during illness to protect others, and public health emphasis on mask wearing during illness may help to reduce influenza virus transmission. There are fewer data to support the use of masks or respirators to prevent becoming infected."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

""One household trial found that mask wearing coupled with hand sanitiser use reduced secondary transmission of upper respiratory infection influenza-like illness laboratory-confirmed influenza compared with education;hand sanitiser alone resulted in no reduction...Eight of nine retrospective observational studies found that mask and ⁄ or respirator use was independently associated with a reduced risk of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)....Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene. The effectiveness of masks and respirators is likely linked to early,consistent and correct usage."

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

[Maris Crane]

Agreed

Well, I don’t hate any Karens, but I sure hate these masks.

[Svartalfiar]

The effectiveness of masks and respirators is likely linked to early,consistent and correct usage."

And do you know what consistent and correct usage is?

It involves lots of things, that a normal person doesn't do most of. That people in places that legitimately wear a mask/respirator, often don't completely follow. I know, I worked at Valspar (paint manufacturer) back in high school, and you'd often see guys with paint marks on their face - where their mask should have covered.

- Not touching the mask at all while it's being worn.
- Keeping a good seal on the mask - meaning you don't have a beard, it's fitted to your face, and there is no exhalation valve.
- Replacing the mask with a clean, sanitary one every so often (most N95s are rated for no longer than eight hours of use, and usually suggest replacement after about two hours of wear).
- NOT re-wearing the same mask once you've removed it.
- Proper decon procedures to remove the mask without contaminating your hands, face, or other surfaces.
- Proper disposal - after all, as deadly as all these environmental viri and bacteria that your mask has collected are, the mask is a biohazard, is it not? (IE not tossing it in the grocery store parking lot, like many people apparently do.)

- WEARING A PROPER MASK. If this was a real emergency, and people were serious about masks actually being an effective infection deterrent, everyone would be wearing a real mask. N99 at minimum. How many people do you see using a scarf or bandanna? What good do those do? I've seen one or two people wearing actual respirators, with no canisters on it! All these blue/white surgical masks? They're almost useless, ~70-80% of their filtration efficiency is zero - breath flows around the edges of the mask, not through it.

Read through those studies and get to the actual conclusion, not just a bit of the middle - most of them say that they conclude that masks cannot be tied to a definitive "yes" on helping prevent influenza spread. Even your short excerpts from the pro-part of the study: "larger study is needed to [actually prove our point]", "some evidence ... may help", "retrospective observational studies", "some evidence suggests [using more than just masks]".

I'll look at that last link since that's the first one my mouse reached when I scrolled to your post. It wasn't a real study, it was a "study of studies", and only looked at 17 others, at least 8 of which were hospital settings (not very similar to wearing one around town). Look at page 3/11, first sentence in the "Discussion" section: None of the studies we reviewed established a conclusive relationship between mask ⁄ respirator use and protection against influenza infection.
Keep reading to the green boxen, and that lists out several of the studies' results (first five say mask/no mask is the same), and then comments on the study, many of which list the several factors the studies didn't control that they should have. IE, several of the studies had very low scientific standards, but many are from China (the SARS outbreak), so poor practice is expected there.

[zeugma]

Hate is a strong word. Wouldn’t say that I ‘hate’ Karens, but I definitely hold them in distain, and try to interact with them as little as I can.

The masks though, I do hate because I see them as tools of coercion. They are also very convienient tools for those who would Burn, Loot, and Murder.