So even the most fragile age group does ok. But this is the reason why we should vaccinate. Vaccination is about hers immunity and protects the individual as well as the cohort. While I am in the age group where there is 0.2% death mom and dad have a 1/20 chance of dying with this. I would prefer not to bring it to them as I treat this disease.
Arguments against vaccination are political and Scientifically ignorant
There's no such argument in the article, the tweet or this thread (yet, anyway).
Being in/around the medical community & "seasoned citizens," we get our yearly flu shot in this family.
Regarding any potential wuhan flu shot, we will wait at least a year until more data is collected.
Director of CDC said at the Senate Hearing today.....90% of Americans have NOT had Coved.
That's a pretty sweeping statement. Probably in your case careless rather than ignorant.
Care to take back the full sweep?
It's not a very good look intellectually, and certainly not scientifically. Sounds a little like the climate cult -> the nature of the argument -> complete in its sweep, and complete in its insult of anyone who would disagree in whole or even in part. Not very scientific nor rational.
A wee bit haughty too.
There are smarter men than you or I who can argue perfectly rationally and perfectly scientifically against getting the vaccine, and who would not simultaneously call you ignorant in the process.
Yeah, those of us who are against vaccinations are deplorable, right?
Read a blurb yesterday about Tcell herd immunity.
It was kind of fascinating and basically means her immunity reached sooner with less infected people.
That is 1/20 IF they get infected. Sensible precautions can go a long ways toward avoiding infection.
Also, there is no explanation of the effect of the HCQ triple therapy or the Ivermectin quadruple therapy on Infection Fatality Ratio. They don’t tell us what therapies were used on the people who died. Given the improvements in therapies, the actual IFR rates WITH THE BEST THERAPY could be well below these reported numbers.
After talking with my NP earlier in the week, I am inclined to get the vaccine sooner rather than later, depending on the information available to review at the time of release
I like her because she is open to new ideas (e.g. my using KardiaMobile 6L 6 lead ECG), as long as we both understand the strengths and weaknesses. She’s a gem. Plus she gave me a free 10ml vial of Lantus for a cat (haha!)
Rightly or wrongly, she is of the viewpoint that we have overreacted with a “one size fits all” approach to lockdowns re: COVID-19.
>> Arguments against vaccination are political and Scientifically ignorant
Thanks for the political statement, doc.
Vax only give a very limited immunity to the virus. For ex if a virus has 20 antigenic sites and you get it. .. your body will make antibodies to more than 1 site.
A vax will only provide a response to the antigenic sites in it. So exponentially less immunity. That is not herd immunity.
Getting the virus equals more antibodies to multple sites.. also mathematically better immunity than a vax ever will.
Especially. An. RNA. Virus. Their very nature is to change antigenic sites.. quickly. So a vax will be mathematically ineffective by the time it reaches the market.
But who could resist such a cash cow like an rna virus vax. Cha Ching.
Comply to the lie.
Arguments arguments against a vaccine created in 6 months with only 6 months of data are wise. Get back to me in 5 years.
And while we’re waiting herd immunity at all schools not shutdowns is the best science.
That is only true if the side effects of the vaccine are not worse than the disease itself. There will not be enough long term testing for anything vaccine that comes out in the next few years. Right now, the best course of treatment seems to be one of the growing lists of drugs that have been on the market for decades and the side effects are know.
government would never put anything in a vaccine that would hurt us?
As they call for population control, as they spy on everyone, as they tout the need to control the dumb masses.
Arguments against vaccines are political and ignorant? Ok, so you have no problems with how they’re made or falsified data or any agendas etc. Have fun, I won’t partake and know many who won’t either. Ironically, one of my friend’s father is an outstanding doctor in Edmonton, and years ago during H1N1 I asked if he was getting the shot and he said no way, his dad would never do that to them. At any rate, you do as you will, as long as it doesn’t interfere with me.
Arguments against vaccination are political and Scientifically ignorant
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Pay no attention to the outbreak of vaccine induced polio in Africa. Vaccines are mostly harmless.
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/polio-outbreak-sudan-caused-oral-vaccine-72766683
Just another reason why I am not about to rush out to get vaccinated with a “QUICK” concocted vaccine. In the mean and between time I prefer BHT with little or no known side effects as all it does just kills the virus
Are Moderna Executives Dumping Their Stock?
STORY AT-A-GLANCE -VACCINE FAILURE
• Results from Moderna’s Phase 1 human trial revealed the 100-mcg dose vaccine — which had a 100% side effect ratio after the second dose — is proceeding to Phase 3 trial assessment
• Moderna has no legal rights to a key patent for its vaccine delivery system. Moderna sought to invalidate the patent for lipid nanotechnology owned by Arbutus Biopharma but lost the challenge at the end of July 2020
• Executives at Moderna have cashed in stock options, raking in about $90 million in personal profits since January. Two Moderna executives have now sold off all of their stock holdings in the company, and its general counsel has sold nearly all of hers
• AstraZeneca has temporarily halted its Phase 3 vaccine trials due to “a suspected serious and unexpected adverse reaction” in a British participant
• AstraZeneca did not divulge the nature of the adverse reaction, but an anonymous source claims the trial participant was found to have transverse myelitis, an inflammatory condition that affects the spinal cord and is frequently triggered by viral infections
The U.S. Health and Human Services’ Operation Warp Speed has pledged to deliver 300 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine by 2021,1 if not sooner.2 However, developing a safe and effective vaccine normally takes years and begins with animal studies. The COVID-19 vaccines are all being rushed straight into human clinical tests, forgoing lengthy animal trials altogether.
Such fast-tracked vaccines pose unknown risks, which are further magnified since governments are granting COVID-19 vaccine makers immunity from liability for all vaccine injuries and deaths that occur after the vaccines are recommended (or mandated) by public health officials.3
At the end of July 2020, AstraZeneca announced4 most countries it expects to supply with COVID-19 vaccine will grant the pharmaceutical company complete liability protection if people are harmed.
In the U.S., vaccine makers already have something of a “free pass” when it comes to vaccine injury liability and lawsuits through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 19865 and the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act, passed in 2005.6
The main concern is that the combination of COVID-19 vaccines being fast-tracked to market at “warp speed” with minimal testing, together with blanket liability protection against vaccine injuries could be a public health nightmare in the making.
Problems With Moderna’s Vaccine Are Becoming Apparent
Early warning signs that something might be amiss have already started emerging. As detailed in “Gates Tries to Justify Side Effects of Fast-Tracked Vaccine,” results7 from Moderna’s Phase 1 human trial revealed 100% of volunteers in the high-dose group suffered systemic side effects. Side effects included fatigue, chills, headache and myalgia (muscle pain); 21% suffered “one or more severe events.”
According to Bill Gates, those side effects are largely due to the high dosages Moderna had to use in order to achieve desired antibody levels. But, if high dosages are required to create a robust-enough immune response, and higher dosages also cause systemic side effects in nearly all people, just how safe will this vaccination campaign be?
In the 20 years that vaccine makers have tried to develop a coronavirus vaccine, efforts have failed due to dangerous, many times lethal, side effects.
In July, it was reported8 that the 100-mcg dose vaccine — despite its 100% side effect ratio after the second dose — would proceed to Phase 3 trial assessment. In a May 26, 2020, article9 in STAT news, Ian Haydon, one of the Phase 1 study participants who suffered severe side effects requiring hospitalization, stated that while he recovered, the inoculation left him feeling “as sick as he’d ever felt.” As noted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.:10
“Three of the 15 human guinea pigs in the high dose cohort (250 mcg) suffered a ‘serious adverse event’ within 43 days of receiving Moderna’s jab. Moderna … acknowledged that three volunteers developed Grade 3 systemic events defined by the FDA as ‘Preventing daily activity and requiring medical intervention.’
Moderna allowed only exceptionally healthy volunteers to participate in the study. A vaccine with those reaction rates could cause grave injuries in 1.5 billion humans if administered to ‘every person on earth.’ That is the threshold that Gates has established for ending the global lockdown.
Moderna did not explain why it reported positive antibody tests for only eight participants. These outcomes are particularly disappointing because the most hazardous hurdle for the inoculation is still ahead; challenging participants with wild COVID infection.
PAST ATTEMPTS AT DEVELOPING COVID VACCINES HAVE ALWAYS FALTERED AT THIS STAGE AS BOTH HUMANS AND ANIMALS ACHIEVED ROBUST ANTIBODY RESPONSE THEN SICKKENED AND DIED WHEN EXPOSED TO EITHER THE WILD OR A MUTATED FORM OF SUCH A VIRUS.