Posted on 11/11/2020 8:04:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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COVID-19 Update # 238
As of 11/10/2020 23:15 PDST United States CDC - Provisional Numbers
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Section: 01 Commentary, Special Reports, COVID-19 Update Info, & System Notes
Section: 02 the United States Situation
Section: 03 the Global Community Situation Outside China
Section: 04 the Global Community Situation Including China with reservations
Section: 05 the Mortality Report
Section: 06 Miscellaneous Reports of Interest
Section: 07 the United States, Counties (alphabetical / case no descending)
Section: 08 the United States, States Ranking, Provisional Numbers, & Territories
Section: 09 the United States, Ranked with Other Nations
Section: 10 the End of this COVID-19 Update
Section: 11 Data Sources and a Link to My Own Spreadsheet
Section: 12 Linked Spreadsheet: Counties, States, Provisional, Territories, & Nations
Section: 13 Links to Other Resources
Section: 01
Commentary, Special Reports, and COVID-19 Update Information3
Interesting Tid-bits (hopefully)
Fatalities and New Cases in the United States
Fatalities rose by 813 cases from the previous day, to come in at 1,494
yesterday. That was actually 9.95% lower than the same day the previous
week. Georgia had tossed some clerical numbers into the system blowing
out our numbers last week.
New Cases rose by 13,142 cases from the day before, to come in at 146,688
yesterday. That was 16.34% higher than the same day the week before.
Fatalaties and New Cases on the Global Scene
Fatalities rose by 3,384 cases from the previous day, to come in at 10,392
yesterday. That was 12.80% higher than the same day the previous week.
New Cases rose by 86,690 cases from the day before, to come in at 577,947
yesterday. This was 8.43% higher than the same day the week before.
I have been noticing a softening of the growth in Global Cases. There have
been a few indicators, that we may be seeing a reduction in the massive
growth we have been week to week in the global scene. Lets hope that
becomes more prominent in upcoming days and weeks.
Testing Level Alert for China
I have watched China declare testing figures two times so far. When the
United States approches it's number, it spits out a new exercise in fantasy.
Well our testing numbers rose above China's 160,000,000 tests yesterday.
at the end of the day we had 160,000,023.
I expect an update by China any day now.
All these massive tests (in China), but almost no new cases... LOL
Section: 02
The Following Addresses the Numbers Here in
the United States of America
Here we go...
New Case Declarations rose by 13,142 cases yesterday.
Please take note of the Resolved Percentage level on the right.
It has been falling recently.
The number is significant enough now to take note of it daily now.
Concept of adding in Active Cases and Serious Critical here, courtesy of amorphous
Here are more of our numbers...
Active Cases rose by 95,441 cases yesterday. I didn't recall seeing a day
with this big an increase of Active Cases in the United States. I looked
it up, and it's the largest single day we've had.
Serious/Critical cases continue to rise on the right there.
Our Slice of the COVID-19 Pie
The growth of our slice of the pie has been decreasing recently.
Here are the numbers I've been tracking, Globally Declared and Active Cases.
The struggle continues, as we now move back up again.
We had dropped about 6.00% in the Active Case slice of the pie in the last month,
but we're back on the move up. The Global area is growing much faster.
Active Cases in the United States / Chart
Unlike some of the other charts here, we should see a good rise and
fall at some point with this one.
Note that this presents the single, seven, and fourteen day averaging versions.
Remember, these are not new Declared Cases. These are remaing Active Cases.
Not seeing any signs of New Case declaration numbers softening.
Active Cases will be going up further.
Testing and New Case Figures
Requested by stocksthatgoup
Some folks have shown an interest in seeing the COVID-19 Test figures compared
to the New Cases being declared. The following Data addresses that. The size
of it just doesn't seem reasoned to me.
Why/how could the posive portion of the popoulace vary as much as 2.0% from day
to day? I could a lot easier see a 2.0% trend over three or four days. One day?
Nah.
Testing fell off by over 365k yesterday.
The 14-day line is going up strongly.
I use the 14-day averagine line for comparisons. The single-day and 3-day
averages bounce around too much for an accurate assessment.
The important thing here is that 11.154% single-day figure for postives
yesterday. It was in early May when the single-day figure was last
that high.
That 14-day rising line is hard to take.
The U. S. Stats / w 10 Day Averaging / Fr: 03/17
Requested by: Texas Eagle
This data and chart presents things in a little different way. In the
chart it is easy to see the relationship of these numbers. I may be wrong
not to do so, but I don't plan to put much weight in those figures for a
few days until they normalize.
The Chart will use the data all the way back to 03/17, but the data displayed
here will only go back one month.
Here is the chart to watch.
The New Case Declarations line is moving on up.
The Active Case line is rising.
United States Movers and Shakers...
I will present the U S States with the most New Cases and New
Fatilities rankings.
Here we go...
Illinois and Texas took the top spots yesterday.
Their New Case declarations were very high.
Both had high New Case numbers the day before also.
Section: 03
The Following Addresses the Global Numbers
without Mainland China
Here is the first set of Data for the Global Outside China
Territories
New Case declarations rose by 89,695 cases yesterday.
The Resolved Percentage fell again yesterday.
Please take a look back up the column to see it's changes recently.
Fatalities, Recoveries, Resolved, Active Cases, and
Serious/Critical Cases - Globally, Excluding M/L China
Concept of adding in Active Cases and
Serious/Critical here, courtesy of amorphous
Here we go...
Active Cases rose by 225,795 cases yesterday. That is higher than normal
growth, but we're seeing atronimical New Cases these days, and the
Resolved Cases just can't keep up right now.
Check out the Serious/Critical cases there. Grrrr...
How is the Global Community Outside China Doing,
Without U. S. numbers?
Let's see...
The middle number was on the rise again yesterday. It's that time of the
week.
Those blue columns are growing. Drat!
The blue line there... well... &%#!
The Active Cases outside China Globally / Chart
As in the United States' version of this, we should see a good rise and fall at
some point these two.
Note that these present the one day and then 7 and 14 day averaging versions.
Global Active Cases are growing considerably. In the last 30 days they have
added over 4 million new cases, at least two-thirds of what was accumulated
in the prior seven months.
Special Section on France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and the U. K.
Case growth.
Jim Noble mentioned he'd like to see the US numbers added here. I added them
in on 06/21/2020. I did not add them to the chart because it would have
dwarfed the European nations chart lines. (they would have been reduced to
about 15% of their normal size)
Let's Look at Some Numbers in Five Day Increments:
Ug!
The best way to read these line charges, is to take each individual
nation and compare what it's doing now in relation to what it was
doing.
Sweden and It's Neighbors, Who Has the Best Tactic Against COVID-19?
Sweden is doing its own thing with regard to isolating. I think most people
are aware of it by now.
Here are some numbers to help us look at this issue.
Sweden had flattened out a bit after that correction a while back, but it
is drifting up at an excellerated pace now. Norway seems to be making
a move also.
The best way to read these line changes, is to take each individual
nation and compare what it's doing now in relation to what it was
doing.
The Netherlands... yikes.
Global Movers and Shakers...
I will present the top fifty nations with the most New Cases and New
Fatilities.
Here we go...
The United States took both spots again here yesterday.
Global osChina Stats / w 10 Day Agveraging / Fr: 03/05
Requested by: Texas Eagle
This data and chart presents things in a little different way. In the
chart it is easy to see the relationship of these numbers.
The Chart will use the data all the way back to 03/05, but the data
displayed here will only go back one month.
Here is the chart to match.
The Active Case chart line is turning up. Sorry to see it.
In the United States chart like this one, the Recoveries, and Resolved
Case lines have not shown near the strength as is revealed here with these
upward bound lines.
That chart is provided here, in a small version, but you can see it full size
if you right click view.
Section: 04
The Following Addresses the Global Numbers
including Mainland China*
Mainland China's numbers are 0.003% of today's total global numbers.
(this was larger than normal change here, and there may have been
something I didn't pick on - keep that in mind as you review this)
A Look at Declared, Resolved, and Active Cases, Includes M/L China
End of day figures follow:
The Resolved percentage is declining for all groups at this time. Just
peek at it once in a while.
Folks should view up the column to see what the trend here has been
recently.
Fatalities, Recoveries, Resolved, Active, and Serious/Critical
Cases Globally, Including M/L China
Concept of adding in Active Cases and
Serious/Critical here, courtesy of amorphous
Active Cases rose by 225,791 cases yesterday, and Serious/Critical cases
were on the rise also cases.
Section: 05
the Mortality Report
Here is the data for four entities...
Here are the figures for the growing case totals for four entities.
We hear all sorts of stories about how these figures are wildly off. The CDC
has studied them and seems to think they may actually be on the low side of
things. I am providing the CDC Provential Numbers down below. Not sure if
anyone has a rock solid number. I doubt it is possible. This is what is
reported out by WoM and JHU. Check out the CDC numbers too.
Charts like this one only show growth. That's why I recently took the advice
of a FReeper and added in a new chart for the U. S. and Global outside China
regions.
Here are figures revealing the daily growth for those four entities.
I'd like to say that numbers went up here in accordance with the growth this
week, but in truth our Fatalities are now starting to be impacted by the
massive growth in cases.
Since the beginning of COVID-19's activity in the U. S., higher New Cases were
soon followed by elevated Fatalities. If we have gone to school on the data
of this disease, we know who should avoid exposure the most. So if the
demographic that has little to fear from the disease is out there getting
infected, it may not be a bad thing at all. If the Fatalities remain low,
vastly higher cases may simply increase the rapidity of the saturation of the
people in public who have already fought it off. And that may facilitate the
end of the disease. I'm sure others know this, but I did want to explain why
my thinking has fluctuated over time regarding these dynamics.
Here, let's look at data for the United States broken out by itself.
Our reported Fatalities rose by 813 yesterday. The volume of new cases and
Serious/Critical ones is hurting us.
We started off out of character for the week, and it has stayed with us
related to elevated numbers this week.
Section: 06
Population Saturation
Here are figures revealing how many people in each population base represent one
case. I'm also showing what percent of each population base is infected at this
time.
This area hasn't looked too good lately. Not good...
Nations With Lots of Cases
At the end of the day yesterday, there were:
This data was developed so we could see the nations that pose a real threat
to our hopes of lower cases globally. These are only declared cases,
but it does help us to see where the large infectious communities
have been globally.
Daily Case Report Evaluation
I'll be keeping tabs on the daily tallies for days of the week for a while. Folks have
noticed some patterns of larger and smaller data entry on certain days, and on Fridays
sometimes the numbers get noticeably larger because of it.
And we now know Thursdays have potential to break out also. Yikes!
IMO Let's check out the numbers and a chart.
Please take note of the new tally line down below the numbers up above.
I'm now showing the case number change and percentage of this week's number
to last weeks number. If a number hasn't been entered yet this week, the
spread will cover the week before.
Tuesday's increase over last week was not quit as big as the increase
last week over the week before.
Section: 07
The Top 200 Counties in the U. S., by Number of Cases
This little report lists 200 Counties in the United States in declining Case numbers.
There is also a listing that is alphabetical. This report list only the entities
and the number of Cases in the two different sorts.
It will also be available as a downloadable Excel file in Section 12.
For months Puerto Rico was showing up with the Counties. That stopped in early July
if memory serves me well.
Section: 08
States of the Union and the District of Columbia, Compared to Each Other
Each of these pages is sorted differently. Look at the red header above
the columns to see which column was used for the sort on any given page.
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If this area interests you, please use this LINK to the source, and review
the lengthy description and explanation of it's development process.
There are two reports. The presentation above comes from the second one,
and the detailed segmented information below it, may interest you.
These can now also be found under the states on the Alphabetical list. The
states and these entity's numbers should be combined to match that of the
U. S. figures each day.
Section: 09
The United States, Where it Ranks With Other Nations?
Each of these pages is sorted differently. Look at the red header above
the columns to see which column was used for the sort on any given page.
The U. S. will be highlighted red here so we can find it easily in the list.
There was 215 nations on this list last night now. I didn't want to post
seven lists with 215 nations on it, so I picked the top 50. Coincidentally,
one report category had the U. S. at 41st, so it wasn't showing up on the
list with the 31 top nations on it. That wasn't the reason why I extended the
list length, but it did work out well.
I work on the nations right next to the states on my spreadsheet. The
states with the District of Columbia come in at a total of 51 lines.
I decided to keep the international reports near that length, and 50
was good enough.
Here we go... for your review.
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Around 06/23, China started putting out it's testing numbers. I thought
they were suspect. The number they put out was 90,410,000. Ours and most
everyone else's numbers are specific. For instance on 06/28, our number of
of tests at the ned of the day was 32,592,368. That specificity separates it
from the number China put out. It was rounded to the 10 thousandth place. In
addition, China did not update that number until 09/02/20. On that date they
raised the number to 160,000,000. As of October 3rd, 2020, they haven't updeded
it again. So I do not inlude China in the Nation's Comparison Sort regarding
Testing, and any place that reports out global testing numbers for a top level
comparison.
Please note that global testing on the Dashboard was only deducting China's
90,410,000 figure from 09/02 through 10/02/2020. I should have been
deducting the 160,000,000 figure, and all global figures during that period
were 69,590,000 tests too high.
We remained in 19th place yesterday.
Section: 10
Here is what it is all about. From January 20th to the present.
This concludes our look back at yesterday's data. Take care...
Section: 11
Data for this Report Sourced From:
LINK WorldoMeters
LINK Johns Hopkins University
The Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE)
LINK United States Center for Disease Control - Provisional Numbers
Listed in the order of current utilization...
LINK You are Invited to Review My COVID-19 Spreadsheet (XLSX)
There is not an XLS version available for distribution at this time.
Section: 12
Other Features:
LINK US Counties200, States & DC51, Territories & Other Entities11, Nations219,
and the CDC Provisional Counts53
Five Excel Spreadsheet datasets you can sort for your own studies...
Section: 13
Links to other resources:
I cannot vouch for these sites. Please use your own judgement.
LINK Adventist Health Coronavirus Resource Hub - Scroll down for useful info
LINK Antibiotic Vitamin, the (Vitamin D)
Good article on Vitamin D's likely role in prevention of infection. Thanks Blam.
LINK CDC Data for Download - Scroll down - Excel required. Includes death stats.
LINK CDC National Center for Health Services
Provisional deaths as determined by review of vital documents. Much lower...
LINK CDC Secondary Data and Statistics - Portal Entry / Look around
LINK Coronavirus (COVID-19) Map
LINK Coronavirus infection risk may be reduced by Vitamin D
by Former CDC Chief Dr. Tom Frieden
LINK Coronavirus Spread Quickly Around the World in Late 2019, Study Shows
the University College London Genetics Institute
LINK COVID-19 Deaths Broken Out by Thirds, 05/07/20 Map of US Counties
Very revealing display of Concentrated Death Zones - thanks hoosiermama
LINK COVID-19 First U.S. Case, Treatment, features Remdesivir
New England Journal of Medicine article
LINK Cytokine Storm, med Actemra, Physician near death saved
LINK Diamond Princess Review at 634 Case Point of Eventual 712
LINK Hydroxychloroquine Article: International Poll
Daily Mail Reports, Most Effective Treatment According to 6,000 Physicians
LINK Hydroxychloroquine Has about 90 Percent Chance of Helping COVID-19 Patients
the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, reports 91.6% of patients improved clinically
LINK IHME - Institute for Health Matrix and Evaluation
LINK National Institutes of Health - Cornavirus (COVID-19)
LINK Nasal Irrigation is the Key, COVID-19 Related
LINK New York City - interesting breakdown, borough, age, sex
LINK On the Origin of CCP Virus, A Documentary Movie (turn up the sound)
Epoch Times: I highly recommend this very well documented report.
LINK Rt COVID-19
Calculates and displays the Rt Factor for each state. Thanks FreedomPoster.
LINK World Health Organization
Have you had this virus?
Pennsylvania Nursing Home (LTC) deaths November 11
Date from PA Department of Health as of midnight November 10/11
LTC deaths = 5922 (increase of ZERO, believe it or not, Ripley!)
Total deaths = 9145 (increase of 59)
cumulative LTC deaths as percentage of total = 64.8 %
WHOOHOO...LTC deaths now have decreased to LESS than 65%...down from the 2/3+ of earlier this year.
So why are we now talking about schools suspending in-person instruction, clamping down on bars and restaurants in Philly, etc, etc?
Looks like we’ve succeeded in “protecting the most vulnerable” thanks to the magic masks! /s
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I don’t think so.
I have had one family member that contracted it, but other
than some headaches and other minor symptoms there wasn’t
a problem.
I have the Bat Flu right now - I tested positive on Friday - got my results on Monday. I have a head cold with no fever as of yet and I have been taking my temp every day several times a day. General stuffiness. Very similar to my seasonal allergies in April every year.
If it stays this way this will be the mildest flu or head cold I have ever contracted.
Then I hope it continues that way...
Sorry you’re dealing with that right now.
While I am impressed with how much time and effort is put into this daily spreadsheet and charting, it is beginning to become laughable. There has been over 110 million people tested for this virus over 10 months. Of that 10 million have been tested positive, for which we do not know how many tested positive twice. Of that 240,000 deaths which equal a chance of dying, because heck you have to aquire first to die from it. That equals a .0228% of dying from it. Now, if you test our entire population that rate will go down to .011%. This virus is not that contagious or deadly. But yes, it is dangerous just like cancer, heart disease, menigitis, flu, pneumonia and H1N1. However, on a whole it is one big political tool to control. A scam and many of the medical institutions are in on it!
Just speculating. I have no inside knowledge. It’s what I would do. Close/lock-down a few hospitals in big cities.... rinse and repeat. Get people lined up for questionable vaccine.
JMHO
Thanks - no big deal up to this point and I think this whole thing is so overblown from my person experience.
The individual in my family was young and male.
mid to later twenties
First off, my youngest daughter had symptoms last week so we get her a rapid test after a quick examination. The nurse practitioner shakes her head and says "I don't think she has it" and the rapid test comes back negative. Back to school in two days if symptoms don't get worse.
Next, I am exposed as well as my wife on Wednesday to someone who tests positive on Thursday. The person who I was exposed to tried to get a rapid test since he was symptomatic on that Thursday but the nurse practitioner said "Those aren't accurate". So he and his wife get PCR tested and his is positive but her's is inconclusive? From what we know the bat flu came thru her exposure to someone at her work that tested positive. So he and his wife get tested again.
So, I do a Tele-Med on Friday with slight symptoms and my wife thought she had some too and they tell me and her to get tested that afternoon. I wait until Monday afternoon for my results and my test comes back positive but my wife is negative. I look at her and say - "how is this possible?". I tell my doctor this when talking to him and he says "maybe she is just more resilient to the virus", which I haven't heard since everything is basically you are dead if you get it. The Tele-Med doctor says I can go outside on Nov 17th if I am symptom free which is 10 days but some say it should be 14 days?
I call my doctor to let him know and he asks what my symptoms are and I say stuffiness and headache. - "Yeah, sounds like COVID". And I am like wait a second, I thought there was all kinds of shakes and shivers and fever and the worst flu and upper respiratory and all that?
So, my wife calls her doctor to get a antibody test because she thinks she may have had it months ago and she tells her doctor that I tested positive and tells what my symptoms are and they say "Yeah, sounds like Covid".
In the mean time my one older daughter who has the almost exact same symptoms I have went and got a rapid test which was negative. I couldn't believe it. So she and my other older daughter got PCR tests which is supposed to be the most accurate.
I shake my head and basically wonder why we are destroying our country for a head cold for most of us. I also wonder how much money is being made/lost on not too accurate testing and multiple tests. Seems like a scam in some part to me.
CDC list of symptoms for Covid19 are extensive and in the mild category except for the SARS pneumonia, which was the reason for this shutdown started in the first place - healthy people dropping over with oxygen depletion, respiratory distress that quickly developed into pneumonia.
The PCR test is not a diagnostic test for illness from any coronavirus. The SARS/Covid19 virus was never isolated, and this was revealed in a CDC Performance Analysis of the PCR test.
This test is run at 40 cycles per FDA guidelines. Dr. Fauci said in Virology podcast in July that PCR tests run over 35 cycles are worthless.
Other experts on the PCR test say anything over 25 cycles produces a high rate of false positives. This term false positive is a misnomer as there is no proof of the 'new' virus in the first place. Case counts include pre-symptomatic, asymptomatic and symptomatic, just like the HIV protocol.
The CDC is getting its Covid19 action plan put together for removing people from their homes who test positive. Link is below. Ignore at your own risk
The actions being taken against us far outweigh any threat of Covid19 which is treatable. 94% of the people who the CDC counts as Covid19 deaths all had significant comorbidities. There is no requirement to document anything to call someone a Covid19 case other than a PCR test.
I know. I have worked with many nurses. Thank you for the information, however!
I'm curious. Do you mean you know about all the information I shared or you know about the CDC definition of 'case'?
There is an embedded menu at the top right of that cdc page that includes a what's new link to a page loaded with Halloween level scenarios if folks really want to worry. It reads like a communist party to do list.
Here's one that should bring back recent scary memories... it helped the democrats chase the poll watchers out of the voting places and you know what kind of pickle that put Rule of Law in, right?
I can see the poll watchers dealing with the aggressive democrats screeching six feet, six feet, keep six feet away! What to do? what to do? The election law says I have to be able to watch everything but that political command says I have to stay six feet away! What to do??? What to do??? Maybe it will be ok if I go stand by the wall.
Yeah, we all know how that's working out. But we've learned that the cdc authority stops this side of the law, right? and election law trumps the democrat/cdc cartel, right?
Take off the stupid mask. Wearing one is not enforceable by law. Executive orders are guidelines and politicians, especially politicians in a dying party will say anything to intimidate the US they dislike and disrespect every chance they get.
Several things:
COVID-19 leads to an unusual range of wildly varying symptoms even for people of seemingly similar (health) condition. This is a hallmark of the disease, though some of it is due to known factors such as:
Difference in resistance, which is normal. I would think, for example, that exposure to and fighting off, perhaps with almost un-noticed symptoms, a similar coronavirus (there are several that cause cold type symptoms of varying severity) might lead to somewhat greater resistance to COVID-19.
Susceptibility to secondary problems, which the patient or doctor may or may not be aware of.
Fluctuations in one’s own immune response, which fluctuations may be due to any number of factors in addition to recent coronavirus infections. A very big factor is normal cyclical variation. But an almost infinite number of causes for dips in one’s resistance can occur. (Don’t ride a horse for hours in cold, wet weather.)
Differences in viral load. Unless you and your wife remember precisely every second you were exposed to “the spreader”, and every factor (of hundreds, likely) that might affect the number of virions you and your wife picked up could be monitored second by second, and analyzed, there is almost no telling which of you picked up more virions, and which of you did might not seem to make any sense.
The thing about the wildly varying symptoms is that many of the people tested sure have “something”, usually something along the lines of a respiratory virus much less dangerous than COVID-19, even to someone with co-morbidities, but this is the season when there are LOTS of those other somethings about. Plus, some of those other respiratory viruses can whack various individuals with varying levels of illness too, though perhaps not so spectacularly variant as COVID-19.*
Any competent Dr. should be aware of the above, and if they are not, or can’t / don’t explain it clearly, that’s a rather strong comment about them, I would think.
I’m not sure where you are getting this “get infected and you are dead” nonsense, unless it’s the “we profit from spreading fear” MSM. ANOTHER hallmark of COVID-19 is the degree of spreading from the many who have very mild symptoms — in fact, it is much of the rational behind the wearing of masks that are mostly effective against outgoing droplets (which mostly end up on surfaces), and are not very effective against anything floating around for long. I’ve not gone back to CDC’s info. on the “why” of wearing non-N95 masks recently, but some time back they were actually fairly clear on this. Anyway, the whole argument is that there are millions of spreaders around who don’t know they are spreaders — obviously these people are not even “mild but noticeably symptomatic cold” level ill, and they certainly are not in danger of becoming a fatality from COVID-19. But, get lots of these spreaders around and the task of protecting those who are vulnerable - including many otherwise active and productive citizens, POTUS being one example - becomes very difficult. Even well run nursing homes that got through the 1st two waves in pretty good shape are having problems now: We have one locally that I am familiar with both due to my Dad having been there a few years ago, and, my wife and I have friends working there. As of 3(?) weeks ago they popped up with 44 recent cases (24 patients and 20 staff, IIRC), and, now more are occurring as one of our friends has been infected even more recently. (We are a wee bit worried about her - like about 1/4 of the country, she has significant obvious but not severe co-morbidities (weight, age), and who knows if there are others not as evident. So, she’s not constantly on our minds, but, a few second prayer at the rare dinner we (my family) is all together seems appropriate. The odds are with her, but more so we hope with a word or two to the Lord, now and then. :-)
With quality N95’s still very hard to get**, once the population in an area has anywhere near 1% “spreaders around, the task of protecting and isolating the vulnerable is a MUCH huger and more difficult task than many on FR seem to comprehend.
*Case in point: My daughter brought “something” home from school, with typical medium-mild(?) symptoms, sore throat, nasal congestion, cough, and fever to about 101 deg. F before my wife gave her Tylenol. Wifey had it too, but mostly just felt fatigued and a bit of a sniffle & congestion. Esp. with me taking care of my 90 y/o Mom a lot, I tried to isolate from wifey and daughter as much as practical, but total mitigation at home is nearly impossible in our place. I intended to stay at Mom’s to better isolate, but I began to get a tickle in my throat. So we all went to get tested. (PCR test w/ the swab up the nose. Not fun, but over quickly. “Better” than getting stung by a sweat bee.) 3 days later the results all come back negative, but in the meantime daughter recovers almost completely - slight residual cough. Wifey was fine in 24 hours. I got thoroughly pasted and in bed 90% of the time for over 36 hours, then get much better quickly except for chest congestion and cough that still has not completely gone away, over 3 weeks later. (These residual chest colds’ when they occur always follow, but seem unrelated to the severity of my head colds, and often don’t happen at all. This one has been unusually persistant, but, it’s almost gone now... :-) )
Other colds that we all get may whack wifey or daughter worse than I. So, this sort of variance, at least for us, seems not unusual.
**What the *Expletive Deleted” is going on with the continuing shortage of quality N95’s??!! I’ve had two different health care providers confirm this to me recently. The last time I did an extensive search was about a month go - I guess I should try again, but my Mom’s Dr. did not sound optimistic, last week. Even her clinic is out. My God, I know the filtration media is a little difficult to make, but we are almost 10 months into this thing, now. This is the country that was making bloody aircraft carriers, if modest ones, every few days, 70+ years ago! I lay this one mostly on the Governors, because they are closer to the problem than the Feds.
Without plenty of N95’s available to caregivers (including in-home & family caregivers), this notion that we can readily protect “the vulnerable” becomes even more nonsensical.
OTOH, I do agree about “destroying the country”. If it was done properly and sensibly, effective mitigation could be done with far less destructive effects. But, that’s a separate and quite long discussion, too.
My daughter tested positive and had a fluish cold for a couple of days. Her husband and two wee kids were neg. My son who visited was negative. Her sister hand sister’s husband and tow children who met up with her were negative. Son was told he could go back to work between the rapid test and the other one. Sister is out for two weeks with pay. Husband is working from home and it is all over the place.
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