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Judge: Air Force mostly at fault in 2017 Texas church attack
mypanhandle ^ | 07/07/2021 | PAUL J. WEBER

Posted on 07/07/2021 10:38:23 AM PDT by devane617

A federal judge has ruled that the U.S. Air Force is mostly responsible for a former serviceman killing more than two dozen people at a Texas church in 2017 because it failed to submit his criminal history into a database, which should have prevented him from purchasing firearms.

U.S. District Judge Xavier Rodriguez in San Antonio wrote in a ruling signed Wednesday that the Air Force was “60% responsible” for the deaths and injuries at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. The attack remains the worst mass shooting in Texas history.

Devin Kelley had served nearly five years in the Air Force before being discharged in 2014 for bad conduct, after he was convicted of assaulting a former wife and stepson, cracking the child’s skull. The Air Force has publicly acknowledged that the felony conviction for domestic violence, had it been put into the FBI database, could have prevented Kelley from buying guns from licensed firearms dealers, and also from possessing body armor.

“Its failure proximately caused the deaths and injuries of Plaintiffs at the Sutherland Springs First Baptist Church,” Rodriguez wrote.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: airforce; banglist; crime; devinkelley; dubyajudge; smirkingchimpjudge; sutherlandsprings; texas; usaf; usairforce; voicevote; wdtexas; xavierrodriguez
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What? Someone that can comprehend better than I please read and explain.
1 posted on 07/07/2021 10:38:23 AM PDT by devane617
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“What? Someone that can comprehend better than I please read and explain.”

The Air Force has publicly acknowledged that the felony conviction for domestic violence, had it been put into the FBI database, could have prevented Kelley from buying guns from licensed firearms dealers, and also from possessing body armor.


2 posted on 07/07/2021 10:41:03 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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It wasn't the crazy,

Nor the gun,

Nor his parents,

Nor his upbringing,

It was the Air Force.

AIUI, I agree the AF SHOULD Have reported him.

3 posted on 07/07/2021 10:43:15 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true !)
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Someone filed suit over the Church. Liability is based on what percentage of the damages were caused by each individual defendant’s fault. (Comparative fault). The court here decided the Air Force’s negligence was 60% the cause of the Plaintiff’s damages.


4 posted on 07/07/2021 10:44:29 AM PDT by circlecity
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Translation #1: The anti-military Dims will rejoice because a judge blames the Air Force for the 2017 Texas shooting, because the Air Force didn't put into the database so that he'd be prevented from buying guns.


Translation #2: Those of us with sound minds will see it as no need for new gun laws. If the existing laws had been used he wouldn't have bought guns and done the shooting.

5 posted on 07/07/2021 10:45:23 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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I don’t understand this. I am told a gun purchaser will NOT pass muster if they are ex military and have anything other than an honorable discharge. This guy had a bad conduct discharge and yet passed the back round check?

Something smells here.


6 posted on 07/07/2021 10:45:47 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: devane617

Paying out millions in a lawsuit against the federal government. It’s just government money so why not.


7 posted on 07/07/2021 10:45:59 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (resist the narrative. .)
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Nearly every mass shooter has had a history that should have nullified their firearm rights.

As gun owners, we support restricting the purchase of firearms from convicted felons.

But time and again, local, state and federal authorities do not update the database of felons to prevent such people from buying firearms legally.

Then, after the shootings, we must suffer the ignorant calls for more restrictions, confiscations and bans because those charged with ensuring public safety failed at their jobs.


8 posted on 07/07/2021 10:46:16 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: knarf

It was both, as the judge stated.


9 posted on 07/07/2021 10:46:37 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: devane617

Was anyone in the military deemed “responsible” for Nidal Hasan’s terrorist attack on Ft. Hood since his outburts and connect to foreign terror groups was known?


10 posted on 07/07/2021 10:47:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

The attacks we see are by known wolves.


11 posted on 07/07/2021 10:48:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.)
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This church shooting - with more than two dozen dead - has almost been forgotten, just like the murder of the Chicago cops by BLM and the Scalise shooting. All we ever hear about are Charlottesville and January 6th, over and over.


12 posted on 07/07/2021 10:48:41 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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So he would have gotten a firearm and body armor by going around the law.


13 posted on 07/07/2021 10:50:55 AM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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WHO groomed the shooter for his mission? Was NOT reporting his prior crime intentional so that he would be ABLE to do what he did?

Yeah, it gets THIS sick. EVIL people in high places.

14 posted on 07/07/2021 10:52:04 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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not sure why whoever works the data base..fbi? Isn’t more to blame?
Or, I guess the AF failed to provide the info?


15 posted on 07/07/2021 10:55:05 AM PDT by Leep (Save America. Lock down Joe Biden!)
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You are right, but the Air Force failed to send any info to the FBI, including the dishonorable discharge. So the guy passed the background check because the dishonorable discharge didn’t show up.


16 posted on 07/07/2021 10:56:09 AM PDT by Wayne07
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Not quite - a BCD doesn’t disqualify you from firearms ownership unless the BCD grounds are on a specific list. In this case, the shooter attacked his wife and fractured his child’s skull. Domestic violence is on the list of BCD offenses that get you disqualified from arms and armor ownership under multiple laws. The Air Force gave him a prison sentence and afterwards a BCD - then ‘forgot’ to file the paperwork that should have put him in the federal databases as a prohibited person.

A similar thing happened with the Virgina Tech shooter.


17 posted on 07/07/2021 10:57:44 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

Eh... never credit to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity and laziness.


18 posted on 07/07/2021 10:58:47 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Leep

The Air Force didn’t provide the info. The FBI never received anything on the matter, so they can’t be blamed this time.


19 posted on 07/07/2021 10:59:35 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: devane617

The government imnposes the NICS system.

Another branch of governement fails to report to the system properly.

But the problem is the hunter in northern Wisconsin who uses an AR-15 to nail coyotes on his property. We need to go after that guy!


20 posted on 07/07/2021 11:01:08 AM PDT by Fido969 ( Sc)
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