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OPINION: I believe Sweden will regret its approach to Covid in schools
The Local ^ | 08/16/2021 | Lisa Bjurwald

Posted on 08/16/2021 9:16:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

And who is she when she is at home? In all seriousness whenever I read that we must do this or that re COVID because of what “health experts” claim I want to add the footnote, “Health experts who have not been silenced for their refusal to go along with the rest of us, and who offer scientific rationale for alternate approaches.”


21 posted on 08/16/2021 9:43:08 AM PDT by lastchance
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To: SeekAndFind
lack of systematic protection for schoolchildren

Schoolchildren don’t need “systematic protection.” They’re at near zero risk, as data gathered over the last year and a half consistently have shown.

22 posted on 08/16/2021 9:43:57 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: poinq

“The top expert in any field rarely works for the government.”

As has been proven N times (where N is an unspeakably large number) by Fauci the Faker.


23 posted on 08/16/2021 9:44:16 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh noes
😱😱😱😱😱

They’re all gonna die


24 posted on 08/16/2021 9:45:27 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe, as far as children are concerned, contracting COVID is more akin to getting COOTIES.


25 posted on 08/16/2021 10:14:47 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

RE: By the way, speaking of young people, did you see that out of 2.2 million military personnel, a total of 24 have died of COVID?

How many percent of those who died of
Covid were unvaccinated?


26 posted on 08/16/2021 10:19:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t.


27 posted on 08/16/2021 10:27:40 AM PDT by Richard Axtell (As if.)
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To: SeekAndFind

More Capital Police have committed suicide than children dying from Covid.


28 posted on 08/16/2021 10:39:49 AM PDT by spincaster (i)
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To: LuxAerterna

It’s not about the virus.

It’s about the control.

As we all know.


29 posted on 08/16/2021 10:40:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy." ― Mao Zedong)
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To: SeekAndFind
Left out of this 'blame game' about GOP Florida & Texas is both Texas' Biden-opened border AND the apparent COVID climate cycle which caused these same states to peak early in summer of 2020 and then moved north with their peaks coming in autumn.

In COVID CASES, Florida peaked in early August 2020 (15k), dropped to a sixth in September (2.5k), peaked in Jan. 2021 (19.3k), dropped till June (1k) and has hit a new peak NOW (25k).

However, note the difference in FATALITIES for these same peaks (note that deaths lag detection); 08/20 High 242, 10/20 High 71, 01/21 High 215, 06/21 High 54, 08/21 High [NOW] 88! Thus for Florida at least, while we have 10k more daily detections, we have 80% fewer deaths!

To me it looks like, at this view of graphs, a good ttrend even in GOP-Evil Florida!

30 posted on 08/16/2021 10:42:02 AM PDT by SES1066 (Ask not what the LEFT can do for you, rather ask what the LEFT is doing to YOU!)
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To: romanesq
Sweden didn’t shut down, didn’t close schools and kids didn’t wear masks.

They didn't mandate shutting down, but their economy dropped 8% in the second quarter last year, same as ours with our government-mandated shutdown. They had the worst economic performance in Scandanavia.

Where are the million deaths? They never happened.

Sweden had the worst mortality in Scandanavia. 10 times more mortality per capita than Norway, 8 times more than Finland, 3 times more than Denmark.

On the plus side, their kids will be healthier having had normal lives for the past 18 months.

31 posted on 08/16/2021 11:00:11 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think we need to go with the ‘Dr. Pepper’ Covid Plan. You take a ‘Jab’ at 10 2 and 4 everyday for the rest of your life.


32 posted on 08/16/2021 11:05:52 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

and 15x as many with vehicle deaths in the same time. The death rate for kids in the US over 19 months is 5 per million...and that’s including those with extreme comorbidities...excluding that its about 1 per million.


33 posted on 08/16/2021 11:17:11 AM PDT by rb22982 ( )
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To: SeekAndFind; BipolarBob; epluribus; princess leah; Macoozie
I am getting a bit tired of articles filled with words such as horror, irresponsible, mandatory, frightening, nervous breakdown, anxiety, and suffer, which substitute for any attempt at analysis.

Beginning May of last year, I developed an Excel spreadsheet concerning the virus relying on the John Hopkins site for virus data and Wikipedia for population and political data for the states. I have updated it occasionally regarding the virus. The April 21 tab includes Sweden, which of course is famous for having few restrictions. As of that date, its experience in terms of deaths per million beat all but 15 of our states.

For that date I also computed the average death rate for the five adjacent states in the NE megalopolis (MA, NJ, NY, RI, CT) and it was 2,560. Most Swedes live in the southwest, which means it is also highly urbanized. Sweden’s death rate of 1,365.43 is about half for a similar population density.

The best science the CDC can point to for a mask mandate is a group of uncontrolled studies highlighting first such groups as 139 hairdresser clients, 382 sailors on the U.S.S. Roosevelt, 124 Beijing households, and 839 Thailand residents subject to contact tracing. All results come from observation followed by personal judgement, and none result from the mathematical disciplines used to evaluate complex environments. In the same article the CDC disparages the 2020 randomized controlled trial (RCT) in Denmark involving 4,862 participants, which found no benefit to wearing a mask to prevent infection.

The disciplines of a RCT divides participants into different groups on a randomized basis. Random assignment means that factors not specifically controlled can cancel each other out by appearing equally in both groups. One group receives the treatment (which in this case was the mask) and the other group does not. Researchers can isolate the one variable and are not able to introduce biases to produce a preferred outcome.

RCT’s are considered the highest standard for this type of research. Therefore, the most reasonable approach the CDC could take would be to use this study as one to which others would be evaluated. An especially valid approach, since the first four combined from their May scientific brief have less than half the participants of the Danish study.

Do Masks Work? https://www.city-journal.org/do-masks-work-a-review-of-the-evidence?wallit_nosession=1 Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers: A Randomized Controlled Trial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33205991/

Making children wear masks in the classroom is 'child abuse': Report in Ireland says it can worsen existing health issues, stunt language skills and cause psychological harm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9887207/Making-children-wear-masks-classroom-child-abuse.html

Advice to the National Public Health Emergency Team: Reduction of the minimum age for the application of mask wearing requirements and recommendations https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2021-03/Advice-to-NPHET-on-face-mask-use-in-children.pdf

34 posted on 08/16/2021 11:23:03 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: SeekAndFind

“I believe Sweden will regret its approach to Covid in schools”

That’s because you are profoundly stupid. You claim to be a “journalist,” so what makes you think you are qualified to have an opinion on this?


35 posted on 08/16/2021 3:45:21 PM PDT by dsc (Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. G. K. Chesterton)
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To: palmer

“Sweden had the worst mortality in Scandanavia.”

Because they bailed on trying to save seniors. They didn’t try to save them when they fell ill. That’s why their numbers are higher proportionately in the region.

Here they did it in limited areas. In NYC, if you were ill, they sent you home and said check in if you are turning blue. By then, most would not recover and die. Some were found dead in their homes.


36 posted on 08/16/2021 4:04:20 PM PDT by romanesq (TRUSTY THE PLAN! ChiCom Joe is the Plan? Que magnificent! 👹)
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To: Kipp
Other issues aside, most peoples' immune systems don't work that way with cold viruses - which Covid essentially is, just with an extra punch for some people.

The average adult human receiving a high viral load of a cold virus they had years ago will get it again. Zinc and vitamins and cow medicine and who knows, maybe eye of newt and ear of bat (well boiled!) may help a little, but up that viral load some more and you'll likely be hacking and coughing in a few days.

Human immune systems do better with long term naturally gained immunity to more often dangerous diseases (like chicken pox as an adult), but even that frequently fades. See: Shingles.

If Covid took out a strong % of humans in their reproductive years, eventually we might develop resistance to it, perhaps something like chicken pox. However, Covid mutates into new strains quickly enough that we might not ever catch up. Luckily, Covid would probably* mutate down in severity: The virus can't be successful in the long run if it kills too many of its hosts.

*This is widely misunderstood. Viruses usually mutate "down" in lethality if they kill too many of their hosts, but the pressure on Covid to mutate down is quite low. If "Delta" had a CFR 3x that of the original Covid, or such a new variant developed (Delta infectiousness and 3x the CFR), no epidemiologist or virologist worth a damn would be surprised.

37 posted on 08/17/2021 2:20:30 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: SES1066
I thought that too, about FL, but FL changed their reporting, which temporarily severely distorts the fatalities curve. Basically, a large time lag in fatalities reports was abruptly added where you see the recent fatalities curve suddenly drop, instead of following the cases with only the usual ~2 week disease progression lag. In effect, a 2nd lag, this one bureaucratic, was suddenly added. Some fatalities in the drop are caught in the lag - how many is unknown.

I don't know of any other major "hot" state with a similar curve disparity. (Not saying such does not exist - I suppose any other state could make a similar change.)

Now, I am still hopeful the increased efforts on the treatment end, esp. monoclonal antibody treatments, will help hold down FL's fatalities numbers these last couple weeks, and then the rolloff from the cases peak, which seems to be developing, will kick in. But, the bottom line is that I just don't think we'll know what that fatalities curve, since its recent apparent peak, actually looks like, for a couple more weeks - maybe even a month.

38 posted on 08/17/2021 2:53:46 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: palmer

What? A balanced perspective post?


39 posted on 08/17/2021 2:55:15 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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