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ATF Quietly Ruled Shoulder Stocked Pistols are “Short Barreled Rifles” in 1961
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| September 24, 2021
| Dean Weingarten
Posted on 09/28/2021 4:42:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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Adding a stock to a pistol makes it less concealable. Including shoulder stocked pistols in the NFA was always stupid.
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:42:15 AM PDT
by
marktwain
To: marktwain
NFA34 was stupid to begin with, fueled by yellow journalism, pulp novels and radio dramas, not based in reality.
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:52:40 AM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: marktwain
Image courtesy of Rock Island Auctions
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:54:06 AM PDT
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
To: Spktyr
It was FDR's AG, Homer Cummings who pushed it. The push for more and more "gun control" stopped when he left the AG's office.
WWII had something to do with it as well.
Cummings was an arrogant do-gooder of the first order.
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:56:21 AM PDT
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
To: marktwain
They hired someone named Homer, of course it wasn’t going to go well. :P
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:57:13 AM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: marktwain
So a WWII trophy broom handle Mauser with a detachable shoulder stock has been variously illegal and legal, but is currently legal, by bureaucratic edict? Do I have that right?
NFA of 1934 and all the follow on infringements need to be torn down.
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posted on
09/28/2021 4:59:50 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Islam delenda est)
To: marktwain
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:06:22 AM PDT
by
ptsal
(Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
To: FreedomPoster
Is it illegal when the stock is separate? Does it become illegal only when the stock is attached?
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:07:05 AM PDT
by
Fido969
(45 is Superman!)
To: marktwain
When the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed, pistols with shoulder stocks were not mentioned. Short barreled rifles were not intended to be in the law. They were inserted at the insistence of a confused congressman on the House Ways and Means Committee. The way I understood the history of the NFA, Short Barreled Shotguns and Short Barreled Rifles were included because originally handguns were also to be included in the NFA $200 tax stamp scheme. If handguns were "taxed" (effectively banned,) then sawed off rifles and shotguns which would be just as concealable as handguns also had to be "taxed" (banned.)
At the insistence of the NRA, the handgun clause was removed from the NFA at the last minute, but SBSs and SBRs remained.
https://books.google.com/books?id=H_RrLyV9rDUC&pg=PA545#v=onepage&q&f=false
The legislation would use the tax power as a means to impose near-prohibitory controls on machines guns and handguns. (The National Rifle Association dropped its opposition to the proposal following a compromise in which handguns were removed from the bill.)
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:13:07 AM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: marktwain
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:26:58 AM PDT
by
Yo-Yo
(is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: marktwain
The fact that a Federal agency claims the authority to make a rule that converts millions of Americans into instant felons with no change in the law is the main problem.
The same is true about thousands of other regulations that are not clearly instances of law. Congress has no authority to convey its power to make law onto executive agencies, no matter how much responsibility it wishes to duck.
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:29:51 AM PDT
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
To: FreedomPoster
Besides the obvious 2nd Amendment violation, there is also the issue as to whether Congress has the power to ban the possession of anything.
It clearly has the power to prevent something from crossing the border or state lines, but the mere possession of something is a matter of state authority under the Commerce Clause, not Federal authority.
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:33:11 AM PDT
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
To: Spktyr; marktwain
‘Stupid’? No. Evil and tyrannical? Yes.
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:46:37 AM PDT
by
Joe Brower
("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
To: FreedomPoster
“but is currently legal, by bureaucratic edict?”
My understanding (and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn) is that original, period stocks are legal, but putting on a repro sock is not? Firing it without a stock is ok, of course.
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posted on
09/28/2021 5:52:07 AM PDT
by
dynachrome
("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
To: marktwain
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posted on
09/28/2021 6:01:27 AM PDT
by
gundog
(It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
To: Spktyr
Didn’t Homer write that famous book, “Ilied”?
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posted on
09/28/2021 6:06:08 AM PDT
by
Pilgrim's Progress
(http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
To: gundog
Ahhh...one of my family heirlooms. Very cool setup and not easy to shoot if you have “long arms”.
To: mad_as_he$$
Wonder if this applies to air pistols? Have a couple of the crossman models stocks. Fun to shoot and accurate.
To: refermech
No, does not apply to air pistols or to non-cartridge arms such as the percussion revolver shown in the picture.
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posted on
09/28/2021 7:57:23 AM PDT
by
marktwain
(President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries. )
To: dynachrome
IIRC, there’s a list of stocked pistols on the C&R list that are excepted from NFA, whether the stock is original or not.
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posted on
09/28/2021 8:30:11 AM PDT
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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