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Joe Biden's Proposed Ban on Fast, Effective Dishwashers Is a Gift to Big Business
Reason ^ | October 15, 2021 | Christian Britschgi

Posted on 10/15/2021 11:39:59 AM PDT by karpov

Supply chain bottlenecks have Americans waiting longer for the dishwashers and washing machines they've ordered. President Joe Biden's regulatory onslaught means that consumers will also spend extra time running whatever home appliances they do manage to get their hands on.

Earlier this week, the public comment period ended on the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) proposal to ban "short-cycle" dishwashers and laundry machines, which clean pants and plates much faster but consume more energy and water to get the job done.

These products were legalized under the Trump administration as part of its crusade to undo stifling energy efficiency limits and make America's appliances great again. Dishwashers, in particular, were an issue that provoked the former commander in chief's passions.

"The dishwashers, they had a little problem. They didn't give enough water, so people would run them 10 times, so they end up using more water. And the thing's no damn good. We freed it up," said former President Donald Trump on the campaign trail in October 2020.

His characteristic bravado had a lot of truth to it.

The past few decades have seen the default cycle times of dishwashers more than double—from an average of 69 minutes in 1983 to 140 minutes in 2018—as manufacturers struggle to maintain the cleaning performance of their machines while complying with ever stricter energy standards.

A slower cycle, notes a 2016 DOE report, "allows more time for the smaller volume of water to be circulated within the cabinet, helping to maintain wash performance" while decreasing the use of both water and electricity needed to heat that water.

In 2018, the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a libertarian think tank, petitioned the Trump administration's DOE to create a new regulatory product class of dishwashers with a default cycle of less than one hour

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: biden; dishwashers; neanderthaljoe; pdjt; trump
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1 posted on 10/15/2021 11:39:59 AM PDT by karpov
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To: karpov

Dear so-called “progressives” … short pier, long walk, please take one.


2 posted on 10/15/2021 11:41:21 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: karpov

are these like the Al Gore toilets?


3 posted on 10/15/2021 11:42:51 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: Rurudyne

It’s Biden’s plan to help college graduates find jobs — businesses will need real people washing dishes. LOL


4 posted on 10/15/2021 11:43:10 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: karpov

We’ve got a dishwasher but I never use it. I can stand the noise, and the pain of loading it, unloading it, retrieving silverware that’s been knocked into the pool of water that’s at the bottom, buying the stupid soap, etc.

I just do the dishes in the sink. Takes about five minutes, compared to the 45 minutes of yammering and humming of the dishwasher.


5 posted on 10/15/2021 11:46:33 AM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Tell It Right

When they can get free money staying at home playing video games?

Nah.

Anyway, we will not need dishwashers at all when there is no food to soil them with (always remember, the government eats first even when nobody else has food).


6 posted on 10/15/2021 11:46:44 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: janetjanet998

Our sewer guy says low flow toilets have put his kids through college.


7 posted on 10/15/2021 11:48:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: karpov

The communist purge now extended to evil household appliances...

Tv, hair dryers, air conditioners, electric tooth brushes, vibrators, computers are all next...


8 posted on 10/15/2021 11:51:04 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: karpov

I am actually in the market for a new dishwasher. I will definitely look into a fast cycle model. It’s value will increase if it is banned.


9 posted on 10/15/2021 11:56:46 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("Goats are like mushrooms. Because if you shoot a duck, I'm afraid of toasters." - Joe Biden)
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To: karpov

Send your dirty dishes to Joe.

He’ll clean them right up.


10 posted on 10/15/2021 11:56:48 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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To: karpov
My old dishwasher could handle anything. I think if I had quarter of a lasagna left in the fridge too long I could just stick it in the dishwasher instead of removing it from the pan. I would not have wanted to get my hand into its water jets.

With my new dishwasher I end up prewashing most plates because the dishwasher is more of a mere dishrinser. I wonder if the EPA ever calculates all the prewashing that has to be done or just assumes all dirty dishes just have a little squirt of ketchup that needs to be washed off for their standard plate.

11 posted on 10/15/2021 11:56:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Anti-fascist" is from the official name of the Berlin Wall: Anti-fascist Protection Barrier.)
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To: karpov

Must he interfere with every aspect of our lives.


12 posted on 10/15/2021 11:57:46 AM PDT by mware (RETIRED)
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A couple of months ago my GF wanted to replace her dishwasher and settled on a Bosch model. They are non-existent in the stores. Home Depot won’t even back order them because there isn’t even a dim light at the end of the tunnel for when they will be back in stock.

Same thing for ordering one online.

And, A good friend is an appliance repair guy with 33 years in the biz. He always keeps three new dishwashers in stock in case a customer’s unit can’t economically repaired. A few weeks back he told me his normal supplier is out and that the one place he did find some for sale had them priced twice as high as pre-pandemic. Same thing for repair parts, they are getting harder to find.


13 posted on 10/15/2021 11:57:48 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Were State Dept. Havana Syndrome victims the guinea pigs of 5G/graphene oxide "vaccine" tests?)
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The "efficiency" requirements are a major cause of appliance failure, because to get that efficiency means everything is running close to 100% of its rated load or tolerances. So of course they fail much more often.

Every time I buy a major appliance now I add the 4 year extended warranty because it pays for itself.

I also note that now that the Chinese and Korean manufacturers have driven many American manufacturers almost out of the market the prices are back up to what they were or exceed what the American makers charged. And our government doesn't do jack.

14 posted on 10/15/2021 12:00:34 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: mware

The greatest gift a President could give to his people would be an EO rescinding the infuriating and difficult to use no-spill spout mechanisms on new gasoline cans.

I’ve had to resort to ripping their guts out and using a rubber stopper at the pour tip. The plastic is so cheap the stopper will split the spout-end after a few uses.


15 posted on 10/15/2021 12:02:49 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Were State Dept. Havana Syndrome victims the guinea pigs of 5G/graphene oxide "vaccine" tests?)
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To: karpov

Dementia Joe improving our lives one regulation at a time ...


16 posted on 10/15/2021 12:03:01 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Rurudyne

We have had Republican party majorities in both houses and Presidents twice since the 90s and they have never done squat about the grotesque stranglehold on the economy created by the EPA, endangered species act, or other such eco-totalitarianism.


17 posted on 10/15/2021 12:04:52 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: Steely Tom

Don’t forget the lovely smell of burning plastic when something falls through onto the heating coil.

The most memorable of those events was when a rubber nipple from a baby bottle melted in half.


18 posted on 10/15/2021 12:07:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Were State Dept. Havana Syndrome victims the guinea pigs of 5G/graphene oxide "vaccine" tests?)
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To: Rurudyne

always remember, the government eats Prime Rib, even when nobody else has food.


19 posted on 10/15/2021 12:07:57 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: KarlInOhio

Its not about saving anything - its about making life worse and people more miserable, until they submit to Socialism and a permanent power structure they have no say over.


20 posted on 10/15/2021 12:10:10 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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