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"Follow the science" doesn't work when the science is this bad
Hotair.com ^ | 10-23-21 | James Heathers

Posted on 10/23/2021 12:17:29 PM PDT by DeweyCA

I work on a small team of researchers who do what one might call “forensic peer review.” In the standard process for scientific publishing, peer reviewers take a manuscript mostly at face value: They ensure that the study makes sense as it’s described. We do something else: We check everything, and try to ferret out any potential biases in reported patterns of digits, statistical impossibilities, inconsistencies between what researchers said they’d do and what they actually did, and plagiarized sentences or paragraphs. And we often find fatal flaws hidden behind a veil of two-dollar words and statistical jargon.

The ivermectin literature has been no exception. Over the past six months, we’ve examined about 30 studies of the drug’s use for treating or preventing COVID-19, focusing on randomized studies, or nonrandomized ones that have been influential, with at least 100 participants. We’ve reached out directly to the authors of these studies to discuss our findings, sometimes engaging in lengthy back-and-forths; when appropriate, we’ve sent messages to the journals in which studies have been published. In our opinion, a bare minimum of five ivermectin papers are either misconceived, inaccurate, or otherwise based on studies that cannot exist as described. One study has already been withdrawn on the basis of our work; the other four very much should be…

Most problematic, the studies we are certain are unreliable happen to be the same ones that show ivermectin as most effective. In general, we’ve found that many of the inconclusive trials appear to have been adequately conducted. Those of reasonable size with spectacular results, implying the miraculous effects that have garnered so much public attention and digital notoriety, have not.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ivermectin; ivermectinstudies; sciencetrust; scientism
I "don't have a dog in this hunt," because I have no idea if ivermectin is useful or not. This article simply goes along with so many other findings that have shown that much peer-reviewed research is either fraudulent or poorly done, and thus unreliable. The original article is at: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/10/ivermectin-research-problems/620473/
1 posted on 10/23/2021 12:17:29 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

We don’t know because they won’t fund a proper randomized controlled study. But there is plenty of evidence of benefit and near zero evidence of harm with IVM.

Of all Trump did I think his biggest mistake was not directing some of the Warp Speed money to study IVM and HCQ type regimens. It wouldn’t have taken much especially in Spring of 2020 when there were millions of potential subjects to recruit.

I read a small study where they took people put into quarantine hotels after arrival at an airport. It was small but those who received IVM cleared the virus 2.5x faster than those who did not. A study like that done on a larger scale would have been cheap and fast to conduct. And if proven, studied further. But as we know, there is no profit in that drug thus a massive push by vested interests to discredit it. The authors of this piece need to look into that bias too.


2 posted on 10/23/2021 12:23:47 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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To: DeweyCA

Well it’s not that the “science is bad”, more that this is Not. Actual. Science.


3 posted on 10/23/2021 12:27:12 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DeweyCA

India gave us the largest RCT in the world, albeit, not double blind. The results? It works.


4 posted on 10/23/2021 12:27:21 PM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: DeweyCA

Fake test and fake report were not science...


5 posted on 10/23/2021 12:30:00 PM PDT by northislander
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To: DeweyCA

‘”Follow the science” doesn’t work when the science is this bad’

“Follow the science” doesn’t work when it doesn’t fit the Democrats’ narrative.

There, fixed it


6 posted on 10/23/2021 12:31:29 PM PDT by antidemoncrat (somRead more at: https://economicti Astronomers see white dwarf 'switch on and off' for first time)
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To: DeweyCA

Since the author claims to be so diligent in investigating studies, perhaps he and his crew should have applied these same efforts and standards to the Pfizer studies on their own mRNA drug. Doesn’t that warrant even more attention since it is being forced on millions more people than ivermectin?

You could drive a semi through the holes in that piece of “research”. It’s absolute crap.


7 posted on 10/23/2021 1:01:37 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: DeweyCA
James Heathers - " "Follow the science" doesn't work when the science is this bad" is absolutely NOT science.

What it is is pure political propaganda and a political lie.

8 posted on 10/23/2021 1:06:33 PM PDT by Grandpa Drudge (Just an old man, desperate to preserve our great country for my great grandchildren.)
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To: Still Thinking

They rely on funding from organizations and the government so right there it tells you its corrupt


9 posted on 10/23/2021 1:07:09 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Grandpa Drudge
Its Not Science Until Brandon Says It's Science
10 posted on 10/23/2021 1:11:45 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: DeweyCA
General rule of thumb. If it appears in "Hot Air" it's probably garbage.

"Hot Air" is a bunch of never Trump @$$holes.

11 posted on 10/23/2021 1:45:32 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DeweyCA

CDC recommends COVID vaccines because of few adverse effects reported.
OSHA explicitly is disinterested in adverse effects of mandated vaccines.
This does not add up to good science.


12 posted on 10/23/2021 2:48:38 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (All worry about monsters that'll eat our face, but it's our job to ask WHY it wants to eat our face.)
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Whoever thought football games, where everyone is packed in like sardines for 7 weeks with no surge is the best science on the planet. (and the only truth)


13 posted on 10/23/2021 3:22:32 PM PDT by USCG SimTech ( )
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To: DeweyCA

all you gotta do is watch people’s actions...

our government’s actions and double standards prove the kung flu is a scam...


14 posted on 10/23/2021 3:30:10 PM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁)
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To: DeweyCA

All claims to “follow the science” are nothing but political fakes. I don’t “follow” any science, I try to follow the data. This article has zero data. It’s worthless.


15 posted on 10/23/2021 4:15:40 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Capitalism is what happens when you leave people alone.)
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