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Virginia Beach Police Used Forged DNA Reports During Interrogations
CBS News ^ | JANUARY 13, 202

Posted on 01/18/2022 6:56:54 PM PST by nickcarraway

Virginia Beach police used forged documents that linked people's DNA to a crime to get them to confess or cooperate with investigators, Virginia's outgoing attorney general announced Wednesday.

The city's police department has changed its policy in the wake of the state's probe, Attorney General Mark Herring said in a statement. In a separate statement, the city said it had ended the practice in May after conducting its own investigation, but called the tactic legal.

Virginia Beach police serve a city of about 450,000 people along the state's coast. Officers used fake reports purporting to be from the Virginia Department of Forensic Science at least five times during interrogations between 2016 and 2020, Herring's office said. The bogus pieces of paper included a seal and letterhead from the state agency, the AG's office said. In two instances, the documents included the signature of a fictitious employee from the department, and in at least one instance, a forged report was presented to a court as evidence, the AG's office said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dna; police; virginia
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1 posted on 01/18/2022 6:56:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If you lie to the cops or the FBI, you will be in trouble.
If the cops or the FBI lie to you, they ought to be in twice as much trouble.

But it just doesn’t work that way. Sigh.


2 posted on 01/18/2022 7:00:27 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The experts are liars. The conspiracy theorists are the people who have figured out the Truth.)
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To: nickcarraway

Pretending to be FBI?


3 posted on 01/18/2022 7:00:59 PM PST by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? Homer Simpson)
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To: nickcarraway

Think about it: you’re a teenage kid. The cops pick you up. Tell you that you don’t need a lawyer, just answer their questions and they’ll get you home quickly.

Bam! They lay a murder accusation on you. They tell you if you’re honest with them, you’ll get to go home faster and they can “help” you. They then lay out a DNA report that’s falsified to show that your DNA is on the victims body and at the scene.

You’re flabbergasted, but also a teenager and not wise in the ways of the world. You are being pressed by two large, dominating men to just confess and this can all be over with.

So, you confess to something you didn’t do just to make the immediate threat of the situation stop.

Boom. They got you confessing to a crime they don’t care you didn’t commit. They’re going to get their conviction stat. Case closed.

If anyone was convicted using this tactic, their case should be reopened and looked at to ensure that innocence wasn’t stolen by virtue of lie.

There are several documented cases of people confessing to crimes they didn’t commit after hours of interrogation and falsified evidence like this.

This tactic should be illegal and those that use it should be prosecuted.


4 posted on 01/18/2022 7:04:44 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Also, if you have children, teach them to only say two things if they are ever questioned in relation to a crime:

1. I want a lawyer.

2. I want my parents.

And coach them to stay silent after that no matter what the big, mean people say to them.

It’s sad you have to teach your kids that these days. Gone are the days of “the police are our friends.”


5 posted on 01/18/2022 7:07:55 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

If you are under 18 then they can’t question you without your parent or guardian.


6 posted on 01/18/2022 7:08:03 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Might want to research your claim.

That may be the case in Virginia, but that isn’t the case everywhere.


7 posted on 01/18/2022 7:12:44 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: ClearCase_guy

Why would the cops be in trouble? The Supreme Court has several times upheld the use of deception and lying by cops to obtain confessions. But the court will consider whether or not the deception coerced an admission.


8 posted on 01/18/2022 7:13:53 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

Okay, I didn’t realize there were states you could question a minor without parental consent. Even if it is allowed, police are risking a judge throwing it out.


9 posted on 01/18/2022 7:14:29 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“the city said it had ended the practice in May after conducting its own investigation, but called the tactic legal.”

Note to self: Remember this the next time I’m called for jury duty.

L


10 posted on 01/18/2022 7:15:22 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

I remember a case that was similar to your example, except the person wasn’t a teenager, he was what one might call simple. I think it was in Louisiana. He confessed, but later it turned out he was not guilty.


11 posted on 01/18/2022 7:15:54 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

To further qualify my statement, I’ll point to the difference between “voluntary interview during investigation” vs. “arrested and interrogated.”

But, I’m not a lawyer so I might be wrong.


12 posted on 01/18/2022 7:17:03 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: nickcarraway

I believe in that case, when asked why he confessed, he said something to the effect of “they said if I confessed, I could go home and this would be over.”

That was a sad case and never should have happened.


13 posted on 01/18/2022 7:19:15 PM PST by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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To: nickcarraway

That is SOP for any law enforcement agency. That’s why you keep your mouth shut and NEVER talk to the cops.


14 posted on 01/18/2022 7:19:49 PM PST by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Lurker; Nathan _in_Arkansas
The Supreme Court has ruled police can lie to a suspect, but there are limits. For example, you can't tell a suspect they have no right to an attorney.

Providing fake documentation? Courts may not go along with that.

15 posted on 01/18/2022 7:21:44 PM PST by nickcarraway
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“Providing fake documentation? Courts may not go along with that.”

Why wouldn’t they? Those same Courts have already said it’s okay to lie. What difference does it make how the State does it?

L


16 posted on 01/18/2022 7:26:00 PM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

A Justice Diode...


17 posted on 01/18/2022 7:34:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Organic Panic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Mandatory viewing every 6 months. For everyone in the family.


18 posted on 01/18/2022 7:37:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

skip the prosecution of them.

there is a lot of shit pulled by those in power that should result in execution.

making fake cases against people should be one of them


19 posted on 01/18/2022 7:48:24 PM PST by SPDSHDW (You get what you let occur with no resistance. Everything Joepedo n' felons do is on your head.)
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To: nickcarraway

I think it’s OK for police to lie during interrogations. Just something I picked up watching and reading true crime.


20 posted on 01/18/2022 7:59:23 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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