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The Baseball Hall of Fame Is As Broken As Everything Else in America
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Posted on 01/26/2022 1:56:23 PM PST by navysealdad

The 21st century has made clear the inadequacies of various institutions that were once the bedrock of American society. In government, in business and in media, there has not just been a collapse in trust, but a sense that the systems we’ve got in place cannot cope with our present challenges.

The perfect microcosm of all this is the Baseball Hall of Fame.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baseball; ped; roids; sports
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1 posted on 01/26/2022 1:56:23 PM PST by navysealdad
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The Hall of Fame is already jam-packed with wife beaters and racists, including men who helped enforce segregation in the sport for generations.

I gave up on Sportsa long time ago, for baseball it was the way they treated Steve Garvey for cheating on his Family Channel little darling Wife Cindy. They Crucified him Publicly, maybe if he would have beat the snot out of her they would have been nicer, but I watched the two faced azzholes LIVE in COLOR and QUIT completely. FU and your morally bankrupt sports, I will NEVER watch any Sports again and haven't in over 30 years
2 posted on 01/26/2022 2:03:00 PM PST by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: navysealdad

Wow, this is one of the few things concerning sports that I’ve felt pretty good about lately (other than Schilling). Imagine the notion that cheating is not rewarded?


3 posted on 01/26/2022 2:04:02 PM PST by KevinB (''...and to the Banana Republic for which it stands ...")
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To: navysealdad

Baseball fans are familiar with the debates. Based purely on statistics and performance on the field, Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds would be in the Hall of Fame. They are not there because not enough of the baseball writers, who elect players to the Hall, overlook their use of steroids.

It all depends on the criteria being used to evaluate them. If we elect players based solely on eye popping statistics, they are in. If we are critical of their use of performance enhancing substances which belped them achieve those results, then they are out.


4 posted on 01/26/2022 2:06:41 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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"Schilling has tweeted about lynching journalists, promoted the political campaign of a neo-Nazi, and toyed with various conspiracy theories, from QAnon to Donald Trump’s false claims about the 2020 election."

So how much of that is true?
5 posted on 01/26/2022 2:06:59 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: KevinB

Bonds and Clemens arguably had HOF careers before they got onto steroids. One could argue that waiting 10 years for admission would have been penalty enough.


6 posted on 01/26/2022 2:09:11 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: navysealdad

I think every voter for the BB HOF needs to have their personal history gone over with a fine tooth comb.

I bet most have drinking and/or drug issues that should be discussed.

To be fair.


7 posted on 01/26/2022 2:09:50 PM PST by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: navysealdad

We’re long past the point where the players want to risk injury playing in the various all-star competitions, Olympic games, etc. The money is so big in players’ salaries that it isn’t worth the slightest risk that a career ending injury might result.

Owners are now “shutting down” players with nagging injuries if there are no prospects for the playoffs.

Ultimately future players will not care one-way or the other if they get nominated or inducted into the various halls of fame. It’s simply how much bank you’ve made over your career.


8 posted on 01/26/2022 2:10:37 PM PST by Tallguy
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I think the penalty for Pete Rose is not that he won’t ever get inducted into the HoF, but rather that he will not LIVE to see the day. It may very well be the same for others like Bonds & Clemens.


9 posted on 01/26/2022 2:12:29 PM PST by Tallguy
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To: Steve_Seattle

Yes, I know the argument, but I fall on the side of those who think preserving the integrity of the game is just as important, or more, than home runs and strike outs when considering whether admission is warranted.


10 posted on 01/26/2022 2:13:30 PM PST by KevinB (''...and to the Banana Republic for which it stands ...")
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To: airborne

So you take issue with who elects players to the Hall of Fame, and their moral or ethical transgressions?


11 posted on 01/26/2022 2:17:03 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tallguy

Well, Pete Rose broke the cardinal rule by gambling on games, and agreed to his suspension from baseball. His is a different case.

There too, if we evaluate Pete just on his performance on the field, he would be in the Hall of Fame. I think he’s not even allowed on he Hall of Fame ballot because he was banned from baseball.


12 posted on 01/26/2022 2:20:12 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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Schilling, who was fired from ESPN following a tweet likening the Muslim demographics to Nazi Germany’s. “Schilling, If I had said, ‘Lynch Trump,’ I’d be getting in with about 90 percent of the vote this year,” Schilling, a 50-year-old Breitbart talk show host and professional meme-sharer, told TMZ.


13 posted on 01/26/2022 2:23:41 PM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: navysealdad

no its the BBWAA that is broken, not the HOF


14 posted on 01/26/2022 2:24:03 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: markman46

How are the baseball writers broken?


15 posted on 01/26/2022 2:25:25 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: navysealdad

21st century America; if something isn’t to your liking, it’s “broken”.


16 posted on 01/26/2022 2:28:31 PM PST by The Antiyuppie (When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Bonds is not getting in until he clears the air about his PED use. He has to admit it and give verifiable details. Then I think he might get in.

McGwire is a stranger case as he has admitted to using substances that were not on the banned list and ceased using them when they were added. But MLB may think McGwire was using more stuff besides what he has acknowledged using.


17 posted on 01/26/2022 2:32:56 PM PST by Tallguy
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“Bonds and Clemens arguably had HOF careers before they got onto steroids.”

That’s a solid point, but Shoeless Joe Jackson hit .375 in the 1919 World Series (best on either team), and clearly had a Hall of Fame career before that. I can’t see how they could let Bonds and Clemens in if they didn’t do the same for Jackson.


18 posted on 01/26/2022 2:33:17 PM PST by Stosh
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To: The Antiyuppie

Yes I guess that’s where we are.

Some take issue with the Hall of Fame election results, and some tske issue with the Baseball Writers Association members who elect members of the Hall of Fame.

I don’t know who decided the Baseball Writers are the voting body for the Hall of Fame. Nor do I know why players must get 75%. Both Bonds and Clemens got about 2/3 of the vote. Which indicates a strong majority of support.


19 posted on 01/26/2022 2:34:24 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Stosh

In fact, Jackson’s performance during the World Series where he was supposedly bribed to take a “fall” hardly supports it.


20 posted on 01/26/2022 2:35:34 PM PST by Reily
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