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Ukraine has become a graveyard for Russians — and for modern weapons systems
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Posted on 04/02/2022 8:16:13 AM PDT by FarCenter

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Ukrainian forces have expertly used the Javelin and the NLAW to destroy Russian tanks as they have moved in convoys and deployed in combat to assault Ukrainian cities and towns. The weapons are carried by infantry soldiers on foot and can be fired from positions of cover and concealment. Both are "fire and forget" weapons, meaning that once they have been aimed at a target and tracked for a short period, they can be fired by the user, who is then able to drop the weapon and move away to safety. The NLAW is disposable. The weapon is meant to fire a single missile and then be discarded. The American Javelin can be reloaded and used to fire multiple missiles, but in an emergency can be discarded if the soldier using it has come under fire and must retreat from his or her position. Both weapons are designed to use high-tech location systems to hit the tops of tank turrets where they are lightly armored and highly vulnerable.

But here is the real deal: The NLAW disposable missile costs around $25,000, and the Javelin rocket launcher system costs about $180,000 and fires a missile that costs around $75,000. Both rocket launchers are being used in Ukraine to destroy tanks that cost upwards of $2 million each. The cost differential is obvious. It's even better when you consider the RPG-7, which costs around $1,000 and fires missiles that can cost as little as $100 each. (Costs can go up to as much as $500 for RPG warheads when they use armor piercing or air-burst technology.) Their cost-effectiveness is amazing when you consider that they're being used to knock out Russian APCs costing more than $1 million each.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: agitprop; biden4armageddon; chechens; chechnya; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; ukraine; zottherussiantrolls
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1 posted on 04/02/2022 8:16:13 AM PDT by FarCenter
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Dead Putinistas...


2 posted on 04/02/2022 8:20:30 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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The ability of modern infantry antitank weapons to inflict heavy losses from ambush and defensive positions was first demonstrated by the Egyptians against Israeli armor during the Yom Kippur war. The issue is these weapons are not so effective in taking territory. One still needs tanks and other armored manuevre units.


3 posted on 04/02/2022 8:23:06 AM PDT by C19fan
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Dead DeepStaters.


4 posted on 04/02/2022 8:24:24 AM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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Ukraine has become a graveyard for Russians — and for modern weapons systems

It's becoming a graveyard for Russian weapons systems. Nations with armed forces built on Russian military hardware - including China and India - have to be seriously reassessing their own military capabilities right now.
5 posted on 04/02/2022 8:25:39 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Where is the infantry to protect the tanks? Any helicopters? Or UAVs?


6 posted on 04/02/2022 8:26:15 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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The author fails to mention the reason Ukrainian soldiers are able to get into position to use their antitank weapons is the complete inability of the Russians to use combined arm tactics. It has been known for decades that armor will get eviscerated if unsupported by infantry and artillery


7 posted on 04/02/2022 8:27:05 AM PDT by C19fan
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The ante has been upped quite a bit since the Yom Kippur war because you can now be ~25 miles (Switchblade range) from what you are attacking. If you don’t want to take territory, then it is a lot cheaper to defend with drones and anti-tank missiles than ~10 million dollar tanks.


8 posted on 04/02/2022 8:28:53 AM PDT by Wayne07
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Yep.


9 posted on 04/02/2022 8:28:54 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer”)
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It has been known for decades that armor will get eviscerated if unsupported by infantry and artillery

And/or air support, now drone defenses and drones as well.

The Russians have lost the drone battles in this war.

10 posted on 04/02/2022 8:30:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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Funny.


11 posted on 04/02/2022 8:31:58 AM PDT by rrrod (6)
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The frequent response is that Russia simply isn’t using their tanks correctly. They need to be part of combined arms.

The problem is this is very hard. The new weapons have incredible range. A javelin or stigma can take out a tank at 2 miles.

That means you need an infantry screen of that diameter around your vehicle, and any house and cluster of trees needs to be cleared before proceeding. This is slow, requires lots of men, and leads to casualties in the infantry side.

Ukraine has been far more effective relying on infantry platoons moving quickly in civilian vehicle through safe zones, and then on foot in combat situations.


12 posted on 04/02/2022 8:34:31 AM PDT by Renfrew
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More like ridiculous Bidenoganda.


13 posted on 04/02/2022 8:38:05 AM PDT by Kazan
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Ukrainian artillerymen of 44th brigade destroyed two Russian vehicles with 1 shell.
14 posted on 04/02/2022 8:39:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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Ukraine has also become a graveyard for journalistic truth and US Government virtue


15 posted on 04/02/2022 8:39:14 AM PDT by PGR88
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... Nations with armed forces built on Russian military hardware - including China and India - have to be seriously reassessing their own military capabilities right now.

Too bad that cat is out of the bag.

16 posted on 04/02/2022 8:40:42 AM PDT by gloryblaze
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The real issue is the Russians didn’t take the gloves off for further fear of western non- military sanctions.


17 posted on 04/02/2022 8:40:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Todays conspiracy theory is tomorrows spoiler alert." )
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It seems that at the start of any war, we fight them with yesterday’s tools.

This is nothing new. And...the MIC loves it.


18 posted on 04/02/2022 8:44:10 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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I am not expert on who uses what weapons. But I would think that China is quite a ways ahead of Russia when it comes to higher tech stuff (drones, hypersonic, other missiles, etc).


19 posted on 04/02/2022 8:45:19 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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“The author fails to mention the reason Ukrainian soldiers are able to get into position to use their antitank weapons is the complete inability of the Russians to use combined arm tactics. It has been known for decades that armor will get eviscerated if unsupported by infantry and artillery.”

Yeah, I am surprised the Russkies don’t apply that. I mean, they historically had no qualms about committing massed formations of infantry, so you’d think they could have spared a few for armored operations.


20 posted on 04/02/2022 8:47:00 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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