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Definition of “Frame or Receiver” and Identification of Firearms (New "Ghost Guns" final rule)
ATF.gov ^ | 11 April 2022 | ATF

Posted on 04/11/2022 11:30:31 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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To: Wayne07
"The final rule also exempts from the new definitions and marking requirements existing split frame or receiver designs in which a part was previously classified by ATF as the firearm “frame or receiver”

So, the new rules do not affect AR style firearms.

21 posted on 04/11/2022 12:15:32 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (We are being played by forces most do not understand)
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To: broken_clock

Looks as though some people have a very hard time understanding basic English.


22 posted on 04/11/2022 12:22:15 PM PDT by Howie66 (Let's Go Brandon!!)
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To: MHGinTN

According to the constitution you should not have to have a serial number on an old upper. After the new rule goes into effect manufacturers have to switch the serial number from the lower to the upper.

Sell the gun to a dealer he would then have to put a serial number on the upper.

This all assumes that the constitution’s provision on ex-post facto law (or royal proclamation) is respected.

There should be a lawsuit over this “rule” change. It ultimately doesn’t matter if the numbered part is upper or lower but this must be done by an act of congress, not by proclamation.


23 posted on 04/11/2022 12:22:55 PM PDT by packagingguy
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To: Yo-Yo
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Sorry. I'm not seeing ANYTHING about codes, serial numbers, ghosts, capacity, magazine size, barrel length, registration, "assault", hunting, caliber, color, scariness, local rules and regulations, -- NOTHING!

I DO see the purpose of the Amendment... it's about securing a "free state". That means "Country" in today's common parlance. They meant securing a free "country". Therefore, that's what it's there for.

I DO see "...shall not be infringed"

I KNOW the meaning of the word:

infringe
verb: break, violate, contravene, disobey, transgress
The film exploited his image and infringed his copyright.
infringe on or upon something: intrude on, compromise, undermine, limit, weaken, diminish, disrupt, curb, encroach on, trespass on
It's starting to infringe on our personal liberties.

24 posted on 04/11/2022 12:26:51 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: Yo-Yo

Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


25 posted on 04/11/2022 12:28:01 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: broken_clock

What it seems most people miss is that the Constitution does not give us our rights. It protects them.

It isn’t for controlling us, but controlling the government.


26 posted on 04/11/2022 12:29:31 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith….)
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To: kinsman redeemer

More people did not know what “natural born citizen” means than didn’t know what “shall not be infringed” means and as a result we lost it all.


27 posted on 04/11/2022 12:33:17 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

——unfringed? Yeah usually involves likker AND live ammo. Keep your head down.


28 posted on 04/11/2022 12:34:37 PM PDT by OldWarBaby
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To: Yo-Yo

How about a switch barrel rifle such as a Thompson?

Or a Blazer?


29 posted on 04/11/2022 12:39:28 PM PDT by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Yo-Yo

Looks like an attempt to use a RULE to alter the wording of the LAW.


30 posted on 04/11/2022 12:49:02 PM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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To: Yo-Yo

they are attempting to redefine LAW. Not a rule. Therefore it is invalid.


31 posted on 04/11/2022 12:50:38 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I hope you are actually right because most people have all kinds of uppers, no serial numbers, and nothing identifiable about them. It would be great!


32 posted on 04/11/2022 12:54:53 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Page 198 says that there will be only one serial number per firearm.


33 posted on 04/11/2022 1:01:21 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal is a blood-thirsty fascist yearning to be free of current societal constraints.)
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To: CodeToad

The more I read the actual regulations, the more it appears that ARs are granted an exception to the “receiver” rule because the lower was classified as the serialized part prior to the publication of the new rule.

So it would appear that any newly manufactured AR platform firearm will still have the lower receiver as the serialized part.

But any new design rifle with a similar ‘split’ receiver will have the upper receiver (that houses the bolt) designated as the serialized part.


34 posted on 04/11/2022 1:02:04 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: PROCON

Screw the BATFE and their unConstitutional and arbitrary edicts. This is re-writing LAW from nothing but tyrannical whim.

Every time we turn around these days it’s some other government “agency” re-writing our laws and having negative impacts on our lives and rights.

ENOUGH.


35 posted on 04/11/2022 1:07:38 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: RandallFlagg

That’s the POINT. It isn’t about deterrence... It’s about doing away with the 2A bit by bit.


36 posted on 04/11/2022 1:10:03 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: metmom

I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing a lot of “control” over the last 20+ years of expanding Federal government. Most of it notably outside the restraints placed upon it by the Constitution.

“It’s just a goddamn piece of paper” - GW Bush in reference to the US Constitution


37 posted on 04/11/2022 1:12:49 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Yo-Yo

Patently unconstitutional. The BATFE cannot change the statutory definition, any more than the DEA can define a new drug as being a controlled substance without actually having its chemical formula defined by statute.


38 posted on 04/11/2022 1:32:39 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: metmom

...yes.

And our newest SCOTUS Associate takes no position on “Natural Rights!”


39 posted on 04/11/2022 1:33:51 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good. )
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The claim that the agency has the power to change the statutory definition should produce an injunction almost immediately.


40 posted on 04/11/2022 1:36:21 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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