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“Putin, whether we like it or not, will have to bring home some bacon, and Mariupol is a small slice, but a slice,” Dov S. Zakheim, a former senior official in the Defense Department, said in a recent interview
1 posted on 05/26/2022 8:57:38 PM PDT by Cronos
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Finnish prime minister in irpin.

2 posted on 05/26/2022 9:00:48 PM PDT by Cronos
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“Three months ago, Mr. Putin’s own strategic objective was to take all of Ukraine — a task he thought he could accomplish in mere days.”

...and the NY Times bases that ‘fact’ on what, exactly?


4 posted on 05/26/2022 9:09:20 PM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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#1. "Fissures Emerge Over What Constitutes Victory in Ukraine." Really?

Either Russia leaves, is driving out, or Russia will try to invade again. Any surrender of territory to Russia will only give Moscow a foothold to try another invasion in a few years. As long as countries continue supporting Ukraine, Zelensky' stated goal of driving Russia back to the previous borders stands. All the diplomatic speculation is just talk until leaders of governments change their minds.

While not publicly stated, the goal for now is to drive Russia out.

23 posted on 05/26/2022 9:52:07 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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Stupid article from freepers beloved New York Times


37 posted on 05/26/2022 11:29:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (Where did all the same posters go......they cannot have all died ....could they ?)
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THE CHANGING DEFINITION OF “VICTORY”

Before the war ... Ukraine recognizes the independence of the Peoples Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, and recognizes Crimea and Sevastopol to be parts of Russia. Also, Ukraine be neutral, like Sweden and Finland.

Now ... Ukraine be a member of NATO, like Sweden and Finland, maybe also Georgia. Status of the Peoples Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk, and Crimea and Sevastopol to be determined.

The situation changed after (A) the war started and (B) Ukraine contained the Russian invasion.

Now that we are on top, it is for us to dictate terms. We have a BIG interest in preventing any gain from aggressive war. So, ceding territory is not an option.


38 posted on 05/27/2022 1:33:38 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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It will end with Russia getting the majority Russian areas in the South and East and with the Globalists having taken a massive “L”.


39 posted on 05/27/2022 2:44:22 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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“Three months ago, Mr. Putin’s own strategic objective was to take all of Ukraine ”

Was it? How does the NYT writer know that?


42 posted on 05/27/2022 3:47:12 AM PDT by oblomov
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...Three months ago, Mr. Putin’s own strategic objective was to take all of Ukraine — a task he thought he could accomplish in mere days”

This disinfo repeated endlessly by the msm discredits virtually every “ analytical” piece allowed to be published


45 posted on 05/27/2022 5:35:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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