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Gun control vs. gun rights: A look at the numbers
americanthinker.com ^ | 6/5/2022 | Daniel Jia

Posted on 06/05/2022 11:55:10 AM PDT by rktman

The U.S. was in shock, again, by the mass shooting at the Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, May 27. People from the entire political spectrum condemned this mass murderous action.

But the unity is quickly dismantled when it comes to how to fight gun violence.

Modern history has shown that, at the breakout of each incident of mass gun violence, gun rights advocates and gun control proponents would seize the opportunity to advance their respective doctrines. This time is no exception.

The immediate focus of the debate over gun violence is whether "assault weapons" like the one used in the Uvalde killing should be barred from civilian use. Gun control groups want to ban the sale of weapons such as the AR-15 rifle to civilians, arguing that they put the public in the greatest danger of mass killing. This notion is strongly opposed by gun rights advocates, who believe that no particular type of weapons should be excluded from people's right to keep and bear arms.

Both arguments miss a critical point. Pew's research data show that, among the total of 45,222 people who died from gun-inflicted injuries in 2020, only a little over 1% of the gun deaths (513 to be precise) were the result of a mass shooting, which is defined as four or more people injured or killed in one shooting scene. Even if the 500 lives could be saved via banning certain kinds of weapons and eliminating those mass shootings in that year, an "assault weapon" ban alone would not yield a meaningful reduction in total gun-inflicted deaths.

Although Americans own nearly half of the worldwide privately held guns, only 15% of the total gun-related deaths occurred in the U.S. in 2019 (37,000 U.S. vs. 250,000 worldwide).

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And (p)resident branDUHn says-----"truth" or "facts", we'll choose "truth". And allegedly the BOR guarantees to citizens not to be interfered with by the government are NOT absolute. If that were the "truth", then what was the purpose of writing any of it in the first place? But, the 'gun lobby'. Those 100,000+ drug ODs last year? Meh.
1 posted on 06/05/2022 11:55:10 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Democrats OD.
No great loss.


2 posted on 06/05/2022 11:58:44 AM PDT by rellic
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To: rellic
Where is the federal mandate for drug laws?

Only the overhyped and overextended "interstate commerce".

3 posted on 06/05/2022 12:15:16 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: rktman

The guns don’t grow fingers and pull its own trigger. How many people are killed with stolen AR. How many mass killers are on drugs for mental problems.

How about looking into other things instead of just going after the gun. And stop with the amount of rounds in mags.

IF YOU HAD TO GUESS… HOW MANY AR MAGS WOULD YOU SAY ARE FLOATING AROUND THE USA.. if you told me close to a 100 million I don’t know if you would be wrong. Maybe more.


4 posted on 06/05/2022 12:18:00 PM PDT by glimmerman70
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To: rktman

Bookmark.


5 posted on 06/05/2022 12:19:15 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: Inyo-Mono

gun rights advocates and gun control proponents would seize the opportunity to advance their respective doctrines.

The first group wants to advance nothing. We are satisfied to hold the line at a clear intent of the Second Amendment.

The second group seeks to advance until they have us slaves in chains. The new niqqers will be all who are not landed, legacy politicians or multimillionaires.


6 posted on 06/05/2022 12:30:03 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: glimmerman70

I know of some mags.


7 posted on 06/05/2022 12:31:59 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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Those 100,000+ drug ODs last year?

And don't forget 625,000+ abortions/year.

8 posted on 06/05/2022 12:49:48 PM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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To: libertylover

You must mean irritating cell cluster disposal.


9 posted on 06/05/2022 12:55:19 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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I’ll admit to not knowing a lot about guns, but it seems to me that it would as easy, if not easier, to use a handgun with a clip that holds 10-15 cartridges to shoot a bunch of people at close range.

Seems like an AR-15 would be harder to swing around to the different targets.

Is a round from a good handgun as lethal as a round from an AR-15?


10 posted on 06/05/2022 12:56:32 PM PDT by libertylover (Our BIGGEST problem, by far, is that most of the media is hate & agenda driven, not truth driven.)
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the RIGHT of every American citizen to own a firearm, or anything within the military dictionary of the word ‘arm’ is in the U.S. Constitution.
the CHOICEto own a firearm, or, ‘arm’, is within the perview OF THE INDIVIDUAL, and ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL, THEMSELF!!

it is NOT the right of the neighbor, the cop, the family doctor, nor municipal, county/parish/ward, state or federal politician to utter one whisper, what THE INDIVIDUAL —SHOULD —DO!!

Firearm ‘organizations’, be they local clubs, or, ‘I have a ‘certain model’, how about you?’, or, I think this guy or this girl would do well in politics’, sometimes step on toes they don’t know, because those folks do not feel like joining up. so they get left out, and in turn, are ignored. And as these groups grow, they become an entity that clashes with the individual, because, ‘if the individual wanted to say something, they shoulda joined with us!’

America was founded on THE INDIVIDUAL. an idea thought poisonous in Europe, at the time. it is the INDIVIDUAL’s to find and fulfill their destiny. firearms are wobdn into that fabric of America, in all facets, liked and unliked. there are countless stories of “good guys with vuns vs. bad guys with guns”. it was the good guy behind evrry blade of grass that made Yamamoto fear to enrage America.

presently, we have a lot of pigs in the poke, that do not want anybody on their list, to even THINK about owning a firearm, so they put up all tbe ruckus, ‘shooting over here’, ‘shooting over there’, and blah blah blah, just to make YOU think that getting one is not what society wants you to do!!! ok, so you surrender being you and go with what society wants. you’ve given over your right to self-preservation, and laid it at the feet of the politician.
good for you. now when the THUG comes to steal and kill YOU, and liberate your possessions, because the THUG believes they are HIS, and will ste over your dead body to take them, where is the politician?
at home, with their security/armdd team, having a hot chocolate!


11 posted on 06/05/2022 1:13:11 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Taxman

Ping


12 posted on 06/05/2022 1:15:27 PM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA!)
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To: rktman

In my state you are allowed only 10 round mags.... Moving soon to a free country.


13 posted on 06/05/2022 1:22:49 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: rktman

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year or 6,849 every day. 98+% of the time, the gun is not fired and no blood (including the criminal’s) is shed.

SOURCE: http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/7.1/Gun-Facts-7.1-screen.pdf, pages 21, 83.


FACT: 98% of mass-shootings occur in gun-free zones

SOURCE: https://www.dailywire.com/news/what-percentage-mass-shootings-happen-gun-free-amanda-prestigiacomo



14 posted on 06/05/2022 1:23:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Contempt for pre-born human life breeds contempt for post-born human life.)
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To: rktman

Criminal Justice? The Legal System vs. Individual Responsibility 4 articles under this 1 https://fee.org/articles/criminal-justice-the-legal-system-vs-individual-responsibility/


15 posted on 06/05/2022 1:27:01 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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To: Glad2bnuts

BINGO. Keep ordering ammo.


16 posted on 06/05/2022 1:32:34 PM PDT by GailA (Constitution vs evil Treasonous political Apparatchiks, Constitutional Conservative.)
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I have a rural king in my town and they have literally 50 gallon drums full of AR type mags. 30 round, sometimes 40 round. and more hanging on the shelf. They sell out all the time. They are everywhere. And you have a person in office saying we need to take all that. Or limit to 10 rounds. Only people that would abide by that are good people that would only use their gun for sport, hunting or self defense. The rest will still do what they are going to do..


17 posted on 06/05/2022 2:19:19 PM PDT by glimmerman70
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To: libertylover

“Is a round from a good handgun as lethal as a round from an AR-15?”

The short answer: NO.

But to hear this retarded President tell it, I’m all washed up.


18 posted on 06/05/2022 3:04:51 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist. I'm white. How does that make me racist?)
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To: glimmerman70

I used to have 10-30 round -15 mags, and the same for my former S&W that held 17 rounds. Boat accidents are way up the past 3 years.


19 posted on 06/05/2022 3:17:22 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts ((“If there are no absolutes by which to judge society, then society is absolute.” Francis Schaeffer,)
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To: libertylover
No.

ANd a rifle is vastly easier to shoot accurately than a pistol.

Obviously, at contact range, with no one shooting back, the difference in accuracy is negligible.

That said, there is a reason why Specops forces around the world overwhelmingly use an AR-pattern gun as their primary firearm.

20 posted on 06/05/2022 3:34:00 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman.)
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