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Donald Trump Is Magnificently Right About Ukraine
PJ Media ^ | JUN 19, 2022 7:48 AM ET | DAVID P. GOLDMAN

Posted on 06/19/2022 5:59:37 PM PDT by entropy12

Now we have the nastiest inflation that we’ve ever seen, we have a war in Ukraine with perhaps millions and millions of people dying in the end…you’re talking about tens of thousands of people dying…and perhaps it’s going to lead to World War III because of the way we’re handling it… We just gave $40 billion on top of another $16 billion, so we’re in for $56 billion…we want to help those people—we have to also save our country, by the way—and it’s horrible, horrible what happened. But when you look at Europe, and Germany and France and all these other countries – they’ve given a tiny fraction of what we’ve given…It should have never happened. If I were president that would have never happened. One hundred percent, that would never have happened.

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To: DannyTN

Here’s something worth reviewing—it’s four years old:

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

Keep in mind that the beginnings of this fiasco were firmly planted by 0, with Victoria Nuland practically dictating Ukrainian policy. Others have pointed out Zelensky’s cooperation with the Trump impeachment circus. There are a lot of strange coincidences and cooperation seen between parties with widely differing viewpoints and irreconcilable philosophies. Think: the Clintons rubbing elbows with the Cheneys? In what universe would you expect to see that?

That’s what you saw in Ukraine—both before and after the Maidan “revolution.”

The way I see it, Russia’s problems are our problems. I can’t fault him for refusing to let the vultures — nazi hirelings of US globalists and Euro-Union oligarchs — pick Russia to pieces.


41 posted on 06/19/2022 8:21:40 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: tsomer

Zelensky stood up for Trump.

Zelensky was forced to fire the honest prosecutor by Joe Biden who was holding $1 billion in aide his country needed.

And why did Biden do that? Because a Russian Leaning Oligarch had bribed Biden through Hunter.

As far as I can tell Ukraine and Zelensky are innocent in that whole mess and Russia is to blame. Remember Russia paid Hunter too through the Moscow’s mayor’s wife. So it wasn’t just the Russian leaning Oligarch, but even more direct payments from Russia.

That’s why Joe Biden held up the third shipment of weapons to Ukraine that Trump had scheduled. It’s why Joe has preemptively declared the US wouldn’t get involved, and even gave Putin a green light by saying “He has to do something.”

It’s why Biden has been slow walking equipment ever since, despite the military and even Congress have been on board with helping Ukraine.

Russia is the bad guy in this situation. Russia is the world’s problem.


42 posted on 06/19/2022 8:39:31 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

It was Poroshenko who fired the prosecutor Shokin at Biden’s behest in 2016.

Zelensky assumed office in May 2019.


43 posted on 06/19/2022 9:19:37 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: DannyTN

And the administration which heavily interfered with the Ukrainian elections would not be in power.


44 posted on 06/19/2022 9:28:53 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: entropy12
Goldman is repeating Bolshevik lies. Ukraine could not join NATO. The border disputes prevented it from doing so under the NATO charter. And each NATO country would have had to accept the admission of Ukraine. To put it mildly, Hungary, Slovakia, and Germany would not have agreed. Turkey would have been wild card. Right now, Turkey is preventing Finland and Sweden from joining. Speaking of which, Vlad the more Terrible's dumb invasion unified NATO and will likely expand it.

2 It's not just establishment Republicans. Anyone paying attention to reality knows of the ties between Russia, China, and Iran. A Russian victory would increase the risk of near-term PRC invation of the ROC, resulting in a war between the US and China. Had Ukraine fallen quickly, Russia would have invaded Moldova, making a war with Romania, a NATO member likely. Similarly, we have people in the KGB Czar's party introducing legislation to end the recognition of independence of the Baltic countries, which are member of NATO. Europeans learned the hard way, that if you don't make the revanchist and irridentist tyrant back down, a world war occurs.
45 posted on 06/19/2022 9:30:19 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: imabadboy99

The Globohomos and trannies don’t parade in Kiev. Kiev isn’t Amsterdam. Turn off the communist propoganda and deal with reality, Lord Haw Haw


46 posted on 06/19/2022 9:31:22 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: rmlew

cool story brah. Their Soros funded and installed President Zelensky just has homo skits on tv and plays the piano with his ding dong. But no globohomo parades, ok sure brah


47 posted on 06/19/2022 9:35:35 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: imabadboy99
1. Zelensky was elected with 80% of the vote, because his leading opponents were corrupt.
2. Show me the Soros money.
3. Did you watch the whole skit and a translation of it? Or are you just going to man up and admit that you allowed yourself to be propagandized by an edited clip? You do realize that it was a stunt, no one had their boys out, or actually used them to play anything, right?
48 posted on 06/19/2022 10:08:58 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: imabadboy99

If Ukraine loses the Communists will have Soviet parades in Kiev while much of their population goes to Siberia and/or gets to relieve Stalins Holodomor, this time in the 21st Century.


49 posted on 06/19/2022 10:13:41 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: entropy12

A.) Numerous outlets, left, right, and center, once talked about this:

Salon, 2/2/22:

“...The most critical events that have been airbrushed out of the West’s political narrative are the violation of agreements made by Western leaders at the end of the Cold War not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine in February 2014... in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing [legally] elected President Viktor Yanukovych and members of his party to flee for their lives. ...”

Some, like McCain, apparently supported the Obama regime on this.

B.) In 2014, Ukraine undemocratically overthrew its legally-elected President with the backing of the Obama regime. The people in the East revolted. Ukraine sent the army to put down the rebellion. Russia sent in the little green men. For 8 years the Ukraine army has been battling to put down the rebellion.

Sadly this is what can occur when free and fair elections are overturned.

C.) WION, Gravitas Plus: Did NATO push Ukraine into war?

https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU

“Ukraine conflict has been ‘westsplained’ enough. On Gravitas Plus, Palki Sharma tells you how Western arrogance & NATO’s expansionism are also to blame, how their actions precipitated the crisis in Ukraine.”


50 posted on 06/19/2022 11:22:48 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
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To: TigersEye

I think we’re saying the same thing - it’s “personal” but in a good way - the Republic is about protecting the rights of individuals against a tyrannical state. We should each be taking this very “personally” as individuals.

And when I say the 2024 election should be all about Trump, I mean it should be a referendum on the stolen election and the impeachment hoaxes. It is basically the story of Donald Trump, but as you say, it’s really about us, because he was threatening to return the power to We the People, and that’s why they were so determined to destroy him.

I really think President Trump is the only leader that gets how important it is that we don’t let those impeachment hoaxes and that stolen election slide. We can’t just let the Left continue to monopolize the media - to gaslight and brainwash the American people. We did that with Nixon in 1960 and then again in 1973 - and that was a huge mistake. Then when Obama, a non-natural born citizen, was allowed to run and serve as POTUS - we let that slide too. We let way too much slide.

We need to fight until the American people get the true story. If, we take the “high road” again and let the Democrats report their version of the truth we will continue to slide into oblivion. Well if we let the Leftist media and Hollywood make partisan movies like All the President’s Men - then the Left’s dishonest version of Watergate is all the American people will ever hear.

Someone has to insist on setting the record straight about what was done to Trump - and Trump seems to be the only one willing to do it.


51 posted on 06/20/2022 12:31:24 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: imabadboy99; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Zhang Fei; PIF; rrrod; BiglyCommentary; libh8er; Kevmo; ...

Here it comes, signaling with the gay smears, and then a few comments later saying the man who kisses young boys bellies in public is a decent man, a man who only destroys cities, and millions of lives so he can steal and/or control most of the gas and oil on the Eurasian continent. This when he is already hinting threats to one of the oil rich Stans. I wonder who told him to sign up in 2021 to be ready to give praise where praise is not due.


52 posted on 06/20/2022 1:49:44 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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To: gleeaikin
he can steal and/or control most of the gas and oil on the Eurasian continent
Once again, there is no economically viable oil in the Donbas. Trial wells were fracked, capped and abandoned.

And the war is not about oil and gas, its about recreating the old Russian Empire (not the Soviet Union).

53 posted on 06/20/2022 3:29:41 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Destroyer Sailor

I may not. This has to be pieced together from what little is “reported”. Nothing much of what happened under Obama was covered, but somehow the Democrats made Ukraine a center of operations and money laundering. So much so, that made up charges for trying to stop it were assigned to Trump, locking him out on Ukraine.

The Steele Dossier appears to have used intelligence from worldwide sources to do the same thing with Russia. Hillary’s contacts in NATO are the best I can come up with.

I don’t doubt NATO’s vital role in history, but I think it has been co-opted.

What I saw, under Trump, was that all of Europe was happily buying energy from Russia and at bargain basement prices. NATO was sponging off of America, with Germany supposedly defending NATO countries using a stockpile of dead GDR weapons. There was a lot that Trump could have done to rectify this, but his hands were tied by what Hillary and others had done.

This is not the 1930s and the players are all moved around, so trying to say that Putin is Hitler is a stretch, in my opinion. The events in Ukraine, in fact, jarred me to see a “country” with nuclear power plants, and formerly nuclear weapons, in such a state. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a country with such things that could not defend them. It’s a mess of the Soviet Union’s making.

Anyway, that was my reasoning, for what it’s worth.


54 posted on 06/20/2022 3:39:37 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: PIF; BiglyCommentary; Kevmo; ought-six; MercyFlush; All

I certainly agree that dying with the glory claim of being a modern Peter the Great is probably an important goal for Putin. Also that this includes reclaiming lost territories. However, I think Putin is fully capable of walking AND chewing gum, so I am sure he is very hopeful he can conquer all Ukraine territory with gas and oil potential. The area around Crimea apparently has huge reserves of natural gas, and if the oil majors were kicked out of Ukraine only 2 years after getting their exploration contracts, then of course they had to cap and abandon any trial drills. Also, why wouldn’t they muddy the water by lying about what they actually suspect the reserves may be. I’m sure Putin will be delighted if he can prevent Europe from enjoying any Ukraine gas or oil.


55 posted on 06/20/2022 4:03:04 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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To: gleeaikin

he is very hopeful he can conquer all Ukraine territory with gas and oil potential. The area around Crimea apparently has huge reserves of natural gas ... why wouldn’t they muddy the water by lying about what they actually suspect the reserves may be. I’m sure Putin will be delighted if he can prevent Europe from enjoying any Ukraine gas or oil.

Ukraine has only one meaningful gas deposit and that is located near the Polish border. Ukraine has been drilled for oil and there just is none to be had; no one is obscuring anything. No one was kick out - there wad no point in remaining. The Crimea has no, NO, None, nada, nichvo, nothing, no oil of any sort. Its farm country and a warm water port, not Saudi Arabia.

The rest of the Ukraine is bereft of any economically viable fossil fuel deposits - that it has those resources, can be traced back to Russian propaganda of a decade ago.

Every one in Europe who deals in petroleum products know that there are NO economically viable oil to be had in the Ukraine, and while Western Ukraine has a very large deposit of NG, it is hardly worth going to war to obtain - it not that large.

The whole, I repeat, oil-and-gas-in-Ukraine meme is just Russian propaganda, with no basis in reality.


56 posted on 06/20/2022 4:48:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Destroyer Sailor

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4072256/posts?page=32#32


57 posted on 06/20/2022 4:56:18 AM PDT by Pollard (If there's a question mark in the headline, the answer should always be No.)
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To: enumerated

“All the establishment Republicans are saying Trump should keep his mouth shut about the stolen election and focus on the issues for 2024. They say Trump should not make it personal - all about himself.”

Since establishment Republicans have avoided and obstructed any mention of the very questionable election results, it’s easy to conclude that they were materially involve. Maybe not in the actual operations, but in the continuing coverup. If they were not involved, why have they not been clamoring for a thorough investigation to determine what the truth is?


58 posted on 06/20/2022 5:01:44 AM PDT by Rlsau1
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To: Rlsau1

You’re right - I doubt more than a handful of Republicans were involved in the crime, but many, many looked the other way, dragged their feet, or even participated in the coverup.

The reason is that all politicians of both parties are tempted with “benefits” the minute they take office. They aren’t outright cash bribes, they are committee positions, they are “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch my back” deals.

They often feel justified, because accepting these deals allows them to serve their local constituents and “bring home the bacon”. They think the end justifies the means. Politics is power, and power corrupts.

The Republicans are far less open about their corruption - far more self-deceived - but there is a lot of corruption on both sides.

The career politicians that have been there for decades are the worst. They don’t want to give up their power - and really, Constitutional Conservatism should be about limiting the government - cutting it down to size. They go to Washington promising to do that and end up liking the power.

So when Donald Trump began actually draining the swamp, and ending all sorts of deals, he was declaring war on BOTH parties.

There are some good people in DC who truly want to cut back the government - but not very many. Maybe one in a hundred. Trump is one in a million and we should treasure him.


59 posted on 06/20/2022 5:54:13 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: DannyTN

Thank you for post 42. You have articulated the situation with clarity.


60 posted on 06/20/2022 6:07:13 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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