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To: BeauBo

Right now India is buying oil and gas from Russia
violating the sanctions, India is propping up
Russia by replacing the EU purchases that the
EU no longer makes due to the pipelines being turned
off and EU countries not wanting to reward the
unprovoked war against the Ukrainians.

We expected China to help their fellow Communist
friend Putin, but a huge country like India
buying Russian oil we didn’t expect.

I would demand India follow the sanctions or face
its own sanctions from the west.


11 posted on 08/20/2022 9:12:28 PM PDT by Zenjitsuman (f)
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To: Zenjitsuman
"Right now India is buying oil and gas from Russia violating the sanctions, India is propping up Russia by replacing the EU purchases that the EU no longer makes due to the pipelines being turned off and EU countries not wanting to reward the unprovoked war against the Ukrainians."

"unprovoked war..."

What exactly have you been smokin???

13 posted on 08/20/2022 9:53:34 PM PDT by ganeemead (There is no definition of patriotism that includes stooging or siding with Nazis against Christians.)
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To: Zenjitsuman

“India is buying oil and gas from Russia violating the sanctions, India is propping up Russia by replacing the EU purchases”

They have been buying oil that used to go to Europe by tanker ship, but the natural gas from European pipelines can’t physically get to other markets.

They are not violating sanctions at this point. Existing sanctions don’t yet cover third parties - just those countries that chose to cut off/cut back Russian imports. The existing legal sanctions set limits/deadlines for participating countries to stop importing Russian oil, gas and coal, by certain dates. The USA has stopped. The EU stopped coal on 12 August, they will stop accepting any more oil tankers (90% of their pre-war imports) at year’s end, and cut back natural gas 2/3rds by then.

We have been preparing secondary sanctions on other Russian oil customers, to possibly come out in December - waiting until Europe could replace Russian oil first (so as to not drive prices too high).

It is a slow moving process to replace those great quantities - millions of barrels per day. By historical norms, it is happening very quickly, and billions of euros have been invested to build the needed new infrastructure, to develop new production elsewhere, and to sign new long term supply contracts with non-Russian producers. It is a phaseout for Europe first, then secondary sanctions are planned for other customers.


19 posted on 08/21/2022 2:25:37 AM PDT by BeauBo ( )
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To: Zenjitsuman

You want to push India into the Russia-China camp? Your suggestion is an excellent way to do just that.

India is a huge country and a budding superpower. Having come from a colonial past they are not about to let themselves be pushed around by threats/blackmail. That is especially true if it comes from Western countries.

Yours is the most shortsighted and self defeating idea I can imagine. It would push India toward siding with Russia and China and the combination of those 3 aligned against the West would be more than we can handle.

A smart policy would be to end this reckless and stupid idea of antagonizing Russia completely unnecessarily, getting India on side (as Trump was doing building the Quad) and containing China while we disentangle ourselves from China economically. Pushing first Russia and then India into alliance with China against us would be the single stupidest most self destructive thing we could possibly do.


23 posted on 08/21/2022 3:46:11 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Zenjitsuman

...demand India follow the sanctions or face
its own sanctions from the west.
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Not sure anyone has the juice to make that sort of demand of anyone not already totally bought and willingly self-sold.

It appears as though the multi-polar world is already existent. It was, after all, the WEF-controlled Atlantic Alliance which chose first to use Ukraine as a catspaw and then decided to levy sanctions on Russia. Neither the US not the EU is refraining from purchasing energy from Russia. They are simply jumping thru more hoops and paying more to Russia on Russia’s terms. US & EU manufacturers are knowingly shipping goods to countries that openly trade with Russia. None of this is a secret.

The entire world is choosing sides and multi-polar alliances of sovereign nations w/sound, commodity-backed money, minus WEF (et al) is a clear favorite over devalued Euros or valueless FRNs that come from WEF-controlled Central Banks issuing fiat (debt coupons) that comes with a centralized global government.

Western state legacy media tells its captive audience what the Brits call *huge porkies* about Central Banks, the actual informational/economic state of the world and the amount of clout possessed by the occupied Atlantic Alliance (including occupied Australia & NZ as Pacific members, via the AngloSphere).

Countries who still have choices are making theirs known.

This is a cautious personal opinion subject to change, but humanity might just be able to save itself from this catastrophe.


35 posted on 08/21/2022 12:59:41 PM PDT by reformedliberal (Make yourself less available.)
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