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Putin sees the Ukraine war as part of his battle to undo Gorbachev’s legacy
The New York Times ^ | August 31, 2022 | Anton Troianovski

Posted on 08/31/2022 3:50:12 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

The day that Russia invaded Ukraine, Feb. 24, the legacy of Mikhail S. Gorbachev loomed over President Vladimir V. Putin’s predawn speech.

“The paralysis of power and will is the first step toward complete degradation and oblivion,” Mr. Putin intoned, referring to the Soviet Union’s collapse. “We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.”

For Mr. Putin, the end of the Soviet Union was the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,” a “genuine tragedy” for millions of Russians because it left them scattered across newly formed national borders. The disaster was caused, in Mr. Putin’s telling, by the weak nerves of a leader too willing to bend to the demands of a treacherous and duplicitous West — a mistake, the Kremlin’s televised propaganda now often reminds viewers, that Mr. Putin is determined not to repeat.

In Ukraine, Mr. Putin is fighting in the shadows of the empire whose end Mr. Gorbachev presided over, having started a war that has killed thousands in the name of restoring Moscow’s dominance over what the Kremlin claims to be Russian lands. But Mr. Putin’s battle to reverse the legacy of Mr. Gorbachev — whose death was announced on Tuesday by Russia’s state news agencies — extends beyond territorial control to the personal and political freedoms that the last Soviet president ushered in, and that the Kremlin is now fast reversing.

“All of Gorbachev’s reforms are now zero, in ashes, in smoke,” a friend of Mr. Gorbachev’s, the radio journalist Aleksei A. Venediktov, said in a July interview. “This was his life’s work.”

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Comrade Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.
1 posted on 08/31/2022 3:50:12 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
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Do you believe any of this? Just look at how people like you are reacting to Gorbachev’s death. You don’t know the first thing about him or what he did and what he didn’t do. In fact, ask Russians what they thought of him and you’ll be surprised. But I forgot, we can’t talk to Russians.


2 posted on 08/31/2022 3:55:25 AM PDT by JonPreston
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To: Timber Rattler

The end of communism in the Soviet Union.
The end of the Cold War.
The Peace Dividend.

We really thought everything was going to get so much better. Instead we got 30 years of shit.

I’m glad the USSR is gone, although I don’t give Gorbachev much credit for that. But we’re in a Brave New World now.


3 posted on 08/31/2022 3:58:53 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are already in a revolutionary period, and the Rule of Law means nothing. )
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The root cause seems to be that while the Soviet Union was founded on Russian racial supremacy over its subject republics and inherently doomed Communist, Marxist, Leninist economic structures, the West admired the communism enough to look past the degradation of the Poles, Lithuanians, Georgians, East Germans, Romanians, etc. too long to cogently frame the obscenity that the Soviet Union represented.

Russia was never a direct threat to the United States but assumed we were their mortal enemy. Socialism was the real and present enemy.


4 posted on 08/31/2022 4:04:51 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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My dying wish to you, take Ukraine back for me.

5 posted on 08/31/2022 4:19:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

Putin, son of Corleone, attempting as his swan song, to wipe away all the so-called mistakes of his father, as a eulogy to him.


7 posted on 08/31/2022 4:27:57 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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— NOTHING IS WHAT IT SEEMS —

“New World Order, embodied in the United Nations, and its endeavor to institute political, economic, and religious governance over all the world, has had very few fanatical supporters of the caliber of Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev.”

Gorbachev’s “Green Cross International” based in Geneva, Switzerland, (one of many globalist organizations he has played a principle role in creating), boldly stated in a May, 1997 news release that Gorbachev “may be the last remaining Global leader” and that he is “…a man with a still-unfulfilled destiny.”

— At nineteen, [Gorbachev] joined the Communist Party

— at twenty-four, he graduated from Moscow State University, Law Faculty, after holding a variety of posts in Komsomol - the Communist Youth Party, and University and City politics.

— [Gorbachev] worked in the Department of Propaganda

— [Gorbachev] was a Delegate to the 22nd Party Congress, a Party organizer, and Head of the Department of Party Organs.

— At 35, Gorbachev graduated from the Agricultural Institute as an agronomist- economist. His rapid climb in the world of Communist politics was remarkable.
— 1969 - Became Second Secretary for Agriculture
— 1970 - Became First Secretary for Agriculture
— 1971 - Member Central Committee 24th Party Congress
— 1972 - Head of Delegation to Belgium at invitation of Communist Party
— 1974 - Representative to Supreme Soviet
— 1974 - Chairman of the Standing Commission on Youth Affairs
— 1975 - Head of Delegation to West Germany at invitation of Communist Party
— 1977, Gorbachev appeared on Page 1 of Pravda for successes in agricultural ministry
— 1978, he wrote in the Agitator (propaganda magazine), and met President Brezhnev and General Secretary Chernenko to report on good harvest.
— He was given the Order of the October Revolution, a high award given for those who promote the cause of Communism (second only to the Order of Lenin).
— He presented a speech at the Central Committee Plenum, and at a prominent funeral, Gorbachev spoke from atop Lenin’s Mausoleum.
— He met Premier Kosygin and Andropov in his hometown
— [Gorbachev] was promoted to Secretary of the Central Committee, responsible for agriculture
— Gorbachev was elected to the Supreme Soviet, listed 28th in the Party hierarchy; then named Candidate Member of Politburo
— 1980, he began work on Brezhnev’s Food Program, published an article in Kommunist, and was promoted to Full Member of Politburo. He gave a traditional speech marking Lenin’s birthday.

- Gorbachev led a Soviet delegation to *Canada in 1983, meeting Trudeau and members of the House of Commons and Senate.
— *After returning from Canada, the nature of his roles began to change. He was placed in charge of personnel changes in the Party apparatus and government. He was also left in charge of day-to-day operations of Secretariate while Andropov was off on vacation.

— *Gorbachev was given the task of supervising regional elections and recommending younger and more able Party officials in regions where economic performance was poor or where corruption was evident

— Gorbachev became the formal Second-In-Command with Chernenko.

— [Gorbachev] was elected Chairman of Supreme Soviet Foreign Affairs Commission.

— [Gorbachev] addressed the USSR’s All-Union Conference on agro-industrial complex. He made the nominating speech prior to Chernenko being elected Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet and was the **main speaker at a conference on [global socialist] ideology in Moscow. There he made famous his concepts of “openness (Glasnost) as a *compulsory condition of socialist democracy and a norm for public life.”

— [Gorbachev traveled] to *Britain, he met with Margaret Thatcher and Parliament leaders

— *In 1985, he was elected General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Nominated by Gromyko, Gorbachev became a member of the Presidium, the Executive Committee of the Supreme Soviet headed by the President.

— [In 1985, Gorbachev] published a long term economic plan out to 2000 [[which laid out a blueprint for fake national transition, which was critical to foreign debt forgiveness in excess of $2 Trillion dollars]].

— Boris Yeltsin [the former 2 Star General from Yekaterinburg, who was responsible for external Soviet WMD R&D and legacy WMD storage facilities in the ME], was strategically chosen by Gorbachev’s Central Committee of the Communist Party to be Moscow Communist Party boss.

Gorbachev met with Ronald Reagan in Geneva, and Perestroika (restructuring) began.

In 1987, he visited Prague, calling for the elimination of all nuclear weapons from Europe. He visited Washington, D.C. for the first time in December, and signed the INF treaty whereby all intermediate-range nuclear weapons were to be destroyed within three years.

That was followed by a 1988 Summit with Reagan in Moscow. In October he was elected President, and in December he addressed the United Nations.

In November 1989, he ordered the Berlin Wall to come down. December saw him in the Vatican making plans with the Pope. Next, he saw George Bush in Malta.

In November of 1990, a landmark document called the Joint Declaration of Twenty-two States was signed in Paris. That was the turning point in East-West relations. The Cold War was over. His spectacular performances won him the Nobel Peace Prize.

Gorbachev became extremely popular in the West

Then in a theatrical, if not staged event, Gorbachev was kidnapped and finally released by coup plotters in 1991. In August, he resigned as head of Communist Party. Finally on December 25, he resigned as President, and the USSR was officially dissolved. The world was shocked.

In an interview with the New American, (6/9/97), Malachi Martin states,

“It is my opinion, for instance, that the USSR didn’t disintegrate naturally but was ordered to collapse. Gorbachev was told to vacate his power base, and also to inform other leaders of the Soviet bloc nations to do likewise. Those orders came from the Capstone.”

Martin says in Windswept House, “Within two years of Gorbachev’s ‘ouster’, Gorbachev Foundation/USA had moved into the disused military offices of the Presidio in San Francisco. There, with the fantastic view of the Bay to cheer him, Gorbachev set about his new role in earnest. He launched GF/Netherlands, and GF/India (Rajiv Gandhi). And he formulated plans for Green Cross International, his own version of ecumenical activity for the “spiritual alliance of all true believers in man’s ‘earthly habitat’”

Gorbachev at the Presidio: a bonus for a job well done?

The Presidio in San Francisco is one of the most famous citadels in American History. Established by the Spanish in 1776 on the banks of San Francisco Bay, it has served as a principle American fortress during both aggressions and defense. Operated by the National Parks and Conservation Association, America’s only private nonprofit citizen organization dedicated solely to protecting, preserving, and enhancing the U.S. National Park System. An association of “Citizens Protecting America’s Parks,” NPCA was founded in 1919 and today has 500,000 members.

Judi McLeod, Editor of the CanadaFreePress.com published an article on November 15, 2006, entitled, “Nancy Pelosi: One of Mikhail Gorbachev’s Most Useful Idiots,” which connected the dots between Gorbachev and Pelosi.

McLeod explained that Gorbachev, via his “Green Cross International,” devised a legal mechanism for converting American military bases to “global centers for sustainability.” The breakthrough came at the 1992 United Nation’s Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit, one of the largest globalist conclaves in history, including 108 heads of state, and over 170 governments represented.

Gorbachev helped create and forward Agenda 21, a “global sustainability” document which, among many other things, helped set the stage for converting military installations around the world into globalist activity centers.

Is There A Gorbachev-Pelosi-Murtha Connection?

McLeod reported that Nancy Pelosi was “an investor in a real estate investment entity called PRESIDIO PARTNERS.” PRESIDIO PARTNERS holdings included the Presidio property where Gorbachev would eventually set up shop. Nancy Pelosi worked with Congress on the basis of Agenda 21 of the United Nation’s Rio de Janeiro Earth Summit, and House Joint Resolution 166 to pave the way for the Presidio to be available to such entities as Gorbachev’s. Working with Pelosi, John Murtha played a key role in working with US Navy officials, Pelosi’s nephew and PRESIDIO PARTNERS to ultimately bring about Gorbachev’s tenancy at the Presidio.

In October, 1996, the US Congress passed a sweeping reform bill HR 4236, which, among other park reforms, “establishes a new management structure for the historic Presidio in San Francisco.” Reading between the lines, the US government essentially handed over this prize compound to the New World Order gang.

In a nutshell, the Presidio quickly took its place as a Globalist Utopia, free of US controls. The typical world citizen would be shocked to learn the real agenda of these “master engineers and facilitators”.

“Pelosi cheered the arrival of Gorbachev to the Presidio as a tenant,” in a speech before the House of Representatives on June 4, 1992, entitled, “From Swords to Plowshares.” Pelosi and Murtha showed their true ideological colors in their energetic efforts to bring the world’s most influential Communist to American soil to establish his American base for promoting his Globalist-Socialist agenda.

The CanadaFreePress.com also reported (11/25/06) that “In April of 1993, Mikhail S. Gorbachev became the first civilian tenant at the prestigious Presidio in San Francisco. In a dedication ceremony, the former Soviet President and his wife were given the keys to a Coast Guard officer’s house by a three-star American general, where they were to run the Gorbachev foundation. The mission of the Foundation was to conduct research on global political and environmental issues.”

As many other times before and since, Pelosi and her unpatriotic cohorts brazenly utilize their positions in the US Congress to put forward the most reckless globalist-socialist agendas - NOT EVEN AUTHORIZED by any mandate of the American voting public. Her radical liberal, globalist, socialist projects are entirely extra-curricular to her official role as a US Government official.

Gorbachev, Pelosi and Murtha are all manifest crusaders of global socialism, certainly not American nationalism or patriotism. One can only wonder just how deep the relationship between Pelosi, Murtha, Gorbachev, and other socialist-globalists usurpers really is.

In less than a year, Gorbachev opened his office in a white, shingled bayfront house at the Presidio, under the shadow of the Golden Gate Bridge. Immediately, Gorbachev set about to launch his “State of the World Forum,” also at the Presidio.

Gorbachev’s “Brain Trust”: The New World Order gang

It is important for the uninitiated observer to understand that the Socialist New World Order is not being assimilated by so much officialdom (legally commissioned governmental agencies). More often, it is being fabricated by foundations, non-governmental organizations, academia and agents of behind-the-scenes secret societies, referred to by Malachi Martin as “the Capstone” (a term referring to the Luciferic “Illuminati” types, whose diabolic schemes have been evolving for centuries).

There are fewer Kings and Presidents playing strategic roles than there are powerful world citizens such as elderly banking magnate David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, media mogul Ted Turner, the late Senator Alan Cranston, Maurice Strong, George Soros, Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, and a cornucopia of high ranking Freemasons, New Age occult religionists, “Green” Environmentalists, and so forth.

Presidio Prepared Before Gorbachev Vacates Presidium

Malachi Martin, in Windswept House, gives flesh to the evolution of Gorby’s global influence: “Thus, well before Gorbachev ostensibly quit national Russian politics at the end of that year, plans for his future role were nicely on their way.

As early as April of 1991, (Gorbachev’s) American friends and sponsors had set up the nonprofit nucleus for what would eventually be known as the Gorbachev Foundation. But they had to first call it the Tamalpais Institute of San Francisco [named after the local mountain, Tamalpais]. They couldn’t decently call it the Gorbachev Foundation while Gorbachev was still the master of all the Russias!

But they could - and in May of that year did - hold a fund-raising dinner at New York’s Waldorf-Astoria. There, in the presence of Henry Kissinger, officials of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, the Ford Foundation, and the Pew and Mellon Funds all pitched in with a guarantee to supply the Gorbachev Foundation with its start up bankroll of $3.05 million.”

And not for GF/USA only. A Moscow branch of the Gorbachev Foundation - GF/Russia - would be housed by Yeltsin in the long-established International Lenin School. The ILS offered such advantages as its location at the center of Moscow and its trained working staff of one hundred academics, all provided at government expense.” And, I might add, home-grown Leninist Socialists!

According to a May, 1995 news item in The San Francisco Chronicle, Gorbachev invited a number of prestigious global elitists to join him at the Presidio. The purpose was “to discuss the state of the world” and “new directions” for the “future of the nation state.”

Former Senator Alan Cranstron was quoted as saying, “There appears to be a great cynicism everywhere about government. And there’s a yearning for new directions.” Cranston became the Chairman of The Gorbachev Foundation USA. Gorbachev-directed ‘brain trusts’ would help guide the world’s affairs.

The ‘Earth Charter,’ composed by Gorbachev and UN environmental guru Maurice Strong, was presented at the Presidio conference.

Among the invited guests to this State of the World Forum were former US President George Bush; former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher; Vaclav Havel, President of Czechoslovakia; former Japanese Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone; Anglican Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa; media mogul Ted Turner; Microsoft Chairman William Gates; US Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich; and Alvin Toffler, author of futurist books like “Future Shock” and “The Third Wave.”

Gorbachev has initiated a series of international conferences to offer world leaders, institutions and international organizations specific recommendations regarding the security needs of the post-Cold War world.

“The Program” of the State of the World Forum included bringing together working groups of international experts in the areas of: Elimination of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons testing; Drafting a new architecture for global security in the post Cold War world; and Developing improved methods of ethnic, religious and regional conflict resolution.

Focus papers written by prominent individuals in these fields provided a basis for discussion. Working group meetings were held in September, 1993 in Moscow, Russia; in April, 1994 in Washington, D.C.; and the final conference was held in September 1994 in New Delhi, India. Gorbachev presented the findings of this two-year international project to the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in October, 1994 with subsequent publication and distribution to international institutions.

The State of the World Forum, at the pinnacle of all Gorbachev’s endeavors, is by no means the only focus of his energies. An almost endless list of non-governmental organizations are cropping up all over the world with Gorbachev’s name on them.

Here are only a few:
Gorbachev’s World Without Wars 2000 was part of an all-volunteer international project, launched by members of the international New Humanist Movement in 1995. Its campaign “Year 2000 - 7 Days Without Wars” gained momentum in at least 25 countries, (including Russia, several Eastern and Western European countries, the Philippines, Hong Kong, South America, Israel, Australia, the US and Canada). Gorbachev and Noam Chomsky, MIT professor and renowned Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist were two of the prominent voices in that movement. Disarmament, from the national level down to individual gun control was on the agenda. Any thinking person could plainly see that the overall purpose was to disarm the United States, in which case, global Communism would have absolutely no deterent.

Green Cross International. Beginning in June 1993, Gorbachev chaired this globalist environmental movement. Its tentacles reach into countless areas of international law and politics, ultimately demanding the submission of all nation-states to the sovereignty of a Global environmental government - one of many efforts he is making to establish and enforce supra-national powers.

The “Green Movement” ultimately produced what is now known as “Cap and Trade.” Cap and Trade is short-hand for limiting, or capping pollutant emissions or buying, or trading an emissions license from another entity whose pollutions are below the cap. While keeping the air clean is a noble cause, the cap and trade agenda is all about bankrupting the United States of America by forcing it to shut down its polluting business, or paying billion, if not trillions of dollars in trade to non-developed nations for their polluiting rights.

The International Nuclear Safety Foundation (INSF), launched in Vienna, on June 26, 1997, according to Reuters. Its aim is to step up pressure on governments to improve nuclear safety standards by mobilizing public opinion.

http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-Gorbachev-PresidiumtoPresidio.htm


8 posted on 08/31/2022 4:32:34 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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The US will never recover from the strategic trojan horse Gorbachev’s KGB and East German KGB unleashed with Agenda’s-21 and 30 —

Gorbachev and the Marxism’s Strategic Takeover of America

https://fitzinfo.net/2021/02/15/green-cross-gorbachev-and-global-enviro-communism/amp/

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“On June 4, 1992, Nancy Pelosi put a statement on the Congressional Record titled From Swords to Plowshares. The speech suggested that the Presidio – the historic Army military base in San Francisco would be an ideal location for former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev’s new Foundation – the Gorbachev Foundation, USA. “

“San Francisco was a special place to Gorbachev as it reminded him of Vladivostok. That the availability of the Presidio for a global center of environment activism and co-operation came available at precisely the right moment in history... incredible coincidence”

“...the conversion of political systems from those based on political geography (nation-state) to political economy (economic centers). Borders are meaningless when political economy dictates policy. That’s globalization.

“The Center for Economic Conversion was... a nonprofit organization which promoted the conversion of the military-based U.S. economy to a civilian-based, peace-oriented, and environmentally sustainable one. It was founded in 1975 as a [joint East German and Soviet] project of the American Friends Service Committee, but became an independent organization in 1978. The group was originally called the Mid-Peninsula Conversion Project, and changed its name to Center for Economic Conversion in 1982. CEC built coalitions with other peace and justice and environmental organizations to build the conversion movement. CEC was a leading advocate for using military base conversion as a tool to foster sustainable development.”

“... talking about why the world needs Charter Cities – economic zones with no rules [not under the sovereign state]. In other work I’ve done concerning foreign trade zones (Trojan Triangles), I have research on these that I ultimately determined were ports under international law seaports on the coast and inland ports for locations in the interior.”

“city-states and charter cities (administrative zones) are the means for not just economic conversion [away from national sovereignty] but political conversion as well.”

“The United Nations was [predominantly Soviet designed] designed to be the center of global governance. The plan was to reduce nation-states to economic regions under the UN system. In 1990 with the signing of the Charter of Paris, the European project for regionalization was complete and focus shifted to the U.S. In 1993, Mikhail Gorbachev set up shop at the Presidio in San Francisco to “help” in the conversion of our economy to a centrally planned, sustainable economy.”

“...began in 1993 (if not before) and proceeded with the assistance of legislation passed during the Clinton Administration under the heading of “reinvention of government” – reinventing our nation into oblivion.”

“...Gorbachev and the lead up to the transfer of the Presidio to a trust that rented space to not only Gorbachev but a gaggle of leftist groups that support the conversion of our country.”

“The Tides Foundation [Communist Internationale directly connected to Tides and Gorbachev], took it over and made it a “safe space” for the social engineering eco-mmunists to congregate and strategize and coordinate. Tides gave the name, The Thoreau Center for Sustainability to the collective space for the non-profits.”

SEE GRAPHIC —

“... our tax dollars supporting (tax deductions) and funding an insurgent [Soviet] organization of organizations that are working very hard to make us a communist/socialist country[?] And how is it that the FBI hasn’t found these people? If the FBI really is looking for Russian collusion, this is where they can find it.”

https://thetechnocratictyranny.com/corruption/from-swords-to-plowshares/


9 posted on 08/31/2022 4:41:28 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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Snake trusts the NYT. Why do I think that Snake is an outright leftist troll or a despicable Log Cabin Repukelican?


10 posted on 08/31/2022 4:50:18 AM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftards are the same species of vicious rat.)
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All those countries that Russia enslaved are going to be a lot tougher to reconquer today.

Today they are all allied and armed up and ready to fight back as members of NATO and after watching what Russia is doing in Ukraine, they are reminded of the true national character of Russia and its natural state of brutality and violence.


11 posted on 08/31/2022 5:22:50 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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Interesting! I agree with this.

Why do you think the US has made the destabilization of Russia a strategic imperative (e.g. Rand Corporation?)
12 posted on 08/31/2022 6:19:54 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Timber Rattler

The Times’ view is not based on evidence (analysis of his writings, etc.). Needed: investigation by a reliable think tank. My unsupported guess is that, if Putin prevails in the Ukraine after getting bloodied in the process, it’ll be a long time before he attempts anything more.


13 posted on 08/31/2022 6:49:00 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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Actually I see it as Putin trying to undo Regan’s legacy.

That said, the Regan West has also been destroyed and turned into an authoritarian nightmare.

What a shame all around.


14 posted on 08/31/2022 6:51:02 AM PDT by FreeReign
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Actually I see it as Putin trying to undo Regan’s legacy.

Bush the First pretty much took care of undoing Reagan's Legacy.

15 posted on 08/31/2022 6:52:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: FreeReign

Yikes, *Reagan*, need coffee.


16 posted on 08/31/2022 6:54:38 AM PDT by FreeReign
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Yeah right. So this author conjured up spirits to know Gorbachev’s thoughts. Just one more attempt to keep the Ukie war cheerleaders energized, and the money flowing to the corrupted little beggar Zelensky’s government and bank account.

Fact is the Ukies are toast, without a bankrupted West pouring billions into the corrupted Ukie coffers, this regional conflict would have been over months ago.

Vlad announced his full intentions Feb 24 th, but the war cheerleaders never read it. He has accomplished much already of his stated objectives, deNazification, demilitarization, and No NATO. Simple, poking the bear anymore will result in Odessa getting eaten for lunch, and Ukraine carved up like a Christmas Turkey…..and St. Zelensky is ousted ( either politically or by a Ukie military 9mm).

Sorry war cheerleaders, Vlad holds ALL the cards, he is calling the shots, nothing the corrupted EU or West can do.


17 posted on 08/31/2022 7:19:54 AM PDT by delta7
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Comrade Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.<> You're a fool.

Putin is helping ethnic Russians defend themselves from persecution and genocide and ending a civil war stared when we fomented the Maidan revolution in 2014.

And, there is absolutely nothing wrong with Putin helping ethnic Russians that no longer wanting to be under the rule of government formed illegally that seeks to persecute and kill them.

It's far better reason for this war than we had in the first war in Iraq.

18 posted on 08/31/2022 8:50:35 AM PDT by Kazan
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Putin is helping ethnic Russians defend themselves from persecution and genocide...

Comrade Kazan, you do know that you are making the exact same argument that Adolph Hitler used to justify his annexation of both Austria and the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia, right?

Occupation of the Sudetenland


19 posted on 08/31/2022 9:13:01 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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You're completely ignorant or lying, you neo-Nazi, globalist, neocon freak. if you denying there has been an eight-year civil war in Ukraine that we fomented with the Maidan revolution in 2014, one in which we funded and encouraged.

There is no comparison between Hitler taking over other countries against their will and those of Russian ethnicity in Ukraine fighting for their freedom after eight years of persecution at the hands of Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis.

It's Ukrainians from the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics that have been doing the majority of fighting on the ground.

20 posted on 08/31/2022 10:02:21 AM PDT by Kazan
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