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To: JonPreston
The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West.

Ukraine is an independent country and is free to join any alliances it wants. Russia has no right to claim that it must be in "its orbit."

2 posted on 10/03/2022 8:11:26 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Russia has been exposed, the band-aid ripped off, and they have so vastly been reduced in the world’s eyes.


3 posted on 10/03/2022 8:15:20 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Petrosius

“Ukraine is an independent country and is free to join any alliances it wants. Russia has no right to claim that it must be in “its orbit.”

Ludicrous delusion #1.


7 posted on 10/03/2022 8:21:10 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Petrosius
Ukraine is an independent country and is free to join any alliances it wants.

LOL. And the CIA, EU and all the NGO money we can muster will make sure they choose to join the correct alliance. And if they do not choose the correct alliance, as Ukraine did in 2010, well - we'll flip the government to make sure they do choose correctly.

8 posted on 10/03/2022 8:25:42 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Petrosius
Ukraine is an independent country and is free to join any alliances it wants. Russia has no right to claim that it must be in "its orbit."

Just like Cuba?

9 posted on 10/03/2022 8:26:24 AM PDT by seowulf (Civilization begins with order, grows with liberty, and dies with chaos...Will Durant)
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To: Petrosius
The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. Ukraine is an independent country and is free to join any alliances it wants. Russia has no right to claim that it must be in "its orbit."

Russia is out of their minds!!!

Independent Ukraine is o.k. with a lot of folks except for this Putin guy,

29 posted on 10/03/2022 9:08:36 AM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business)
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To: Petrosius
Exactly - this is like blaming a woman for getting beaten up by her abusive husband because she "provoked" him by going to a class reunion with her friends or something.

The problem is Russia's I sistence that it has the right to direct the policies of its neighbors. If NATO had tried to move nuclear weapons into Ukraine, that's a different issue. But that's not what happened.

51 posted on 10/03/2022 9:42:48 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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