Posted on 10/04/2022 6:18:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
Russia’s defense minister said 200,000 men had entered the army as part of a mobilization drive that began last month as the rapid advance of Ukrainian forces into Russian-occupied territories outpaces Moscow’s ability to pour in reinforcements.
The suggestion that Russia is already two-thirds of the way toward the target the minister, Sergei Shoigu, announced last month follows criticism of the call-up process—including from Russian President Vladimir Putin. But it raises questions as to whether the depleted Russian military will be able to cope with the sheer numbers of new recruits and use them effectively.
Western military analysts say Moscow faces a dilemma. It could rush ill-prepared troops to the front line to try to stem the losses—with likely little effect on the war’s momentum. Or it could wait until next year and send in better trained and equipped troops that could potentially make a difference on the battlefield. But by that time, Ukrainian forces could have secured significant further gains.
“It’s not going to help the Russians, at least not this winter, and they may well lose ground before that,” said Lawrence Freedman, professor emeritus of war studies at Kings College London.
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Bravo sierra
Sending poorly trained and quipped troops to face seasoned veterans will get those troops killed.
Why? You don’t believe it, or you just don’t want to believe it?
On that we agree.
I know Russia will lose in the long run. I look forward to their lose.
According to the Russian government, 200,000 men have already joined the Russian Armed Forces as part of the 300,000 called up for “partial mobilization”
On top of the 200,000 — the Russians claim that 70,000 volunteers that had not been issued summons have turned up for military service. This means that Russia could potentially deploy 370,000 men to Ukraine, instead of the original figure of 300,000 — if the information is accurate.
t.me/battleinsights
Get Europe to stop supplying Ukraine after a harsh winter. Use artillery to destroy infrastructure in Ukraine. Keep throwing Russian conscripts at Ukraine and use them as cannon fodder as they always do. It might work.
The ultimate question mark is how bad of a winter will Europe have this year? If it's mild, Russia will be $#it out of luck.
I misunderstood your first post.
FRegards,
They’re already getting killed or surrendering.
They will be slaughtered all for one man’s ego
“ Why? You don’t believe it, or you just don’t want to believe it?”
That river in Egypt..
“This means that Russia could potentially deploy 370,000 men to Ukraine”
Not enough men.
The major combatants in WWI/WWII had about 10% of their population under arms. There is no theoretical barrier to Ukraine reaching the same level, which would be 4 million men.
Even if they just get to 2 million, can Russia conscript that number without the people rising up against Putin’s regime?
It is possible.
Training, equipping, and transporting them may prove very difficult, given past performance and losses.
“Get Europe to stop supplying Ukraine after a harsh winter. “
Russia hopes for this, but it isn’t happening. Germany is the the only major nation that is dependent on Russian oil, and it is a minor supplier of weapons.
France, UK, Poland, Italy, and Scandinavia all have alternative gas supplies. The worst winter in history will still see Polish bullets in Ukrainian guns.
Even if they just get to 2 million, can Russia conscript that number without the people rising up against Putin’s regime?
Exactly.
With winter coming on, time is in favor of Ukraine.
They have the full economy of the West on their side.
Western weapons have been shown to be vastly superior.
Ukrainian moral has been shown to be superior (home court advantage).
Time is on the side of Ukraine.
They were younger and healthier back then. So the percentage of the population that can be conscripted is less now. And it is more focused on logistics and technology. Russia can break a lot of stuff. That's about it.
“They were younger and healthier back then.”
That is a good point. Populations were younger. I wouldn’t necessarily say healthier. This was pre-penicillin and a lot of young people were disabled from TB, VD, sepsis etc. Outside of a handful of rich countries most of the world also struggled with chronic malnutrition.
So yes, I do think 10% under arms as in the world wars would be hard, but 5% (2 million Ukrainians) is entirely possible.
Seeing the videos of these mobilized troops reminds me of a line from the Al Stewart song “The Roads To Moscow”;
“The old men and children they send out to stop us, can’t slow us down”
There are some Russian soldiers marching
They hear a voice shout from over a hill,
“I bet one Ukrainian can beat ten Russians!”
The Russian sergeant, thinking that it would be easy, sent ten men over the hill to fight. They heard a fighting and noise. No Russian soldiers came back. After a minute they heard the voice again,
“I bet 1 Ukrainian can beat 100 Russians!”
The sergeant, getting more annoyed now, decided to send some of his men over, to finish this Ukrainian off.
After a while of noise and bangs, no Russian soldiers came back, and the voice shouted again,
“I bet 1 Ukrainian can beat 1000 Russians!”
The sergeant, thinking that 1 soldier could not possibly beat 1000, sent his troops over.
Again, there was lots of noise, but then, silence.
1 Russian soldier returned this time, bloody and bruised, barely walking. The soldier said:
“Don’t send any more men over; there’s actually 2 Ukrainians.”
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