Posted on 10/20/2022 8:58:36 PM PDT by Cronos
The Moscow-installed authorities of the port city of Mariupol, which fell to Russian forces after a devastating siege earlier in the year, took down a monument to Ukrainian victims of Stalin's famine on Wednesday.
Kyiv has been calling the 1930s man-made hunger under Josef Stalin a "genocide," while Moscow has been downplaying it as an episode of famine all over the Soviet Union.
The state-run RIA Novosti news agency published a video of a truck uprooting the monument in Mariupol.
"We are not taking out a memorial, we are getting rid of a symbol of the political disinformation of the population, particularly of our youth," local youth organization spokeswoman Evgenya Krotova told RIA Novosti.
Local university professor Olga Shmatshkova said it was best not to "remind people over and over about the scariest (times)."
"Let's make our motherland cleaner and more beautiful, we will still keep the memories of our problems in our souls," she told RIA Novosti.
Pro-Russian separatist authorities in the Donetsk region said on Telegram that the structure had been removed.
"The stone will be recycled into construction material," the administration said on Telegram.
The monument was made out of two blocs of granite topped by stalks of wheat and barbed wire.
It was dedicated to victims of Soviet-era political repression, executions and mass deportations that Moscow minimizes.
"Holodomor" — Ukrainian for "death by starvation" — is the 1932-1933 famine regarded by Kyiv as a deliberate act of genocide by Stalin.
It left thousands dead, according to estimates of historians.
Moscow rejects Kyiv's narrative, placing the events in the broader context of famines that devastated regions of Central Asia and Russia.
The city of Mariupol was captured by Russian troops in May after several weeks of shelling that left thousands of dead and the city destroyed.
You’re a real ignoramous.
Have you refuted anything yet?
Thought so.....
Meanwhile all over Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia etc have been busily tearing down WWII monuments to Soviet soldiers defeating the Nazis, including a giant obelisk as big as a Washington monument knocked over.
I’d prefer all monuments stay up. But if the retard Ukes keep pulling down every WWII memorial, They gotta expect the same.
The difference is that the pro-Soviet monuments were monuments to oppressors - not liberators. The Soviets didn’t really liberate Estonia or Latvia or Ukraine. They went on to oppress those places and peoples for 40 more years.
The Holodomor memorial was simply about how an oppressor starved people to death. It did not glorify an oppressor pretending to be a liberator (the Soviets).
“Meanwhile all over Ukraine, Latvia, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia etc have been busily tearing down WWII monuments to Soviet soldiers defeating the Nazis..”
And then subjecting all those populations to abject slavery under communism for 45 years. So I don’t really blame them for pulling down statues of Lenin, Marx, and Stalin.
And then there’s the fact that Ukraine didn’t invade Russia proper and start pulling down their monuments.
Putin did. So there’s a bit of a difference.
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Same…. Ukes and the others are tearing down memorials to the millions of Russian men who died fighting Nazi germany. The counties that celebrate a resurgence of Nazism are pulling down those war monuments. Ukes get the same treatment.
“Everyone I don’t like is a Nazi.”
How incredibly tiresome.
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That’s similar to asking why Democrats don’t leave red states (and vice versa), why illegal immigrants don’t go back to their home countries, or why Protestants in Northern Ireland don’t go back to Scotland.
And the Russians have no regard for the millions who were tortured and starved by the Soviets.
And if you think the “Polacks” admire the Nazis, then you’re a moron.
In fact, some years ago Putin started a program to entice Ukrainian ethnic Russians to immigrate to Russia.
At first, the program was popular in Russia and with the immigrants. Some years saw immigration of over 100k pro-Russian immigrants from Ukraine. But... tensions soon developed. Immigrants developed an entitlement mentality, often claiming the Russian gov’t was not delivering on promises of support. Some Russian citizens, OTOH, felt the newcomers were treated preferentially to themselves, the immigrants were unwanted competition for jobs, and so on.
Gee... Where have we seen this sort of thing, before?
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