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ABA votes to end law schools' LSAT requirement, but not until 2025
Reuters ^ | November 18, 2022 | Karen Sloan

Posted on 11/18/2022 2:39:59 PM PST by karpov

The arm of the American Bar Association that accredits U.S. law schools on Friday voted to eliminate the longstanding requirement that schools use the Law School Admission Test or other standardized test when admitting students.

But under a last-minute revision, the rule change will not go into effect until the fall of 2025—giving law schools time to plan for new ways to admit students.

The ABA’s Council of the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar overwhelmingly voted to do away with its testing mandate after years of debate and over the objections of nearly 60 law school deans who warned such a move could harm the goal of diversifying the legal profession.

The organizations that design both the LSAT and the GRE also urged the council on Friday not to drop the rule, warning that it could lead to law schools admitting students who are unlikely to succeed despite incurring debt to attend.

Councilmember Daniel Thies noted that no other professional school accreditors require the use of admissions test and that has not led to a “race to the bottom” to bring in unqualified students. Existing limits on student attrition and a requirement that at least 75% of a school’s graduates pass the bar exam offer further guardrails, he said.

“The goal is to open up innovation—finding other ways that might complement the current admissions processes to move us ahead in legal education on diversity and a host of other considerations,” Thies said.

The ABA standards currently require law schools to use a “valid and reliable test” in admissions decisions. For years, the only standardized test that automatically met that criteria was the LSAT, though the ABA in November 2021 added the GRE as an acceptable alternative.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aba; die; diversity; equity; inclusion; law; lawschool; lawschools; lsat; schools
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Getting rid of all standards that blacks do not meet as often as other races will wreck society. Stop giving Federal loans to law students, and let people who pass the bar exam be attorneys, even if they did not go to law school. Lincoln did not attend law school.
1 posted on 11/18/2022 2:39:59 PM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

Abolish the ABA and go back to allowing those who serve an apprenticeship to sit for the bar exam. That would save taxpayers a lot of money on failed lawyers.


2 posted on 11/18/2022 2:42:32 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: karpov

I don’t think Asians are having a problem.


3 posted on 11/18/2022 2:42:53 PM PST by ealgeone
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What a joke. Lowering standards is required for Diversity, Inclusion and Equity (DIE). And America will DIE because of it.


4 posted on 11/18/2022 2:43:24 PM PST by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: karpov

Hey, at least lawyers aren’t flying your plane, or performing surgery on you. They’re trashing standards for doctors and pilots, too.

Remember the lawyer in Idiocracy? “I like money...”


5 posted on 11/18/2022 2:44:32 PM PST by quikstrike98 ( )
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To: karpov

Great if we thought lawyers were all scum now just wait, every minority lawyer will be representing minorities to fleece whitie


6 posted on 11/18/2022 2:45:40 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: karpov

My aunt served several judges as as a court reporter for over 50 years from the 1930s. At least two of them never went to law school, but “read for the law” like Lincoln and passed the bar exam.

I found it amusing that she would sometimes whisper to the judges after they made a bad call, correcting them on the law. After decades in the courtroom, she often knew the law better than they did.


7 posted on 11/18/2022 2:51:18 PM PST by DeFault User
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- ... to move us ahead in legal education on diversity and a host of other considerations -

So now they'll just look at skin color.

8 posted on 11/18/2022 2:52:51 PM PST by ken in texas
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To: karpov

Next,the AMA will vote to end medical schools’ MCAT requirement. At that time med students of certain ethnicities and skin tones will believe that the hip bone’s connected to the neck bone.


9 posted on 11/18/2022 2:54:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (I Miss Jimmy Carter)
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To: karpov

All the announcers on the Artemis launch were women. Every single bubble-headed, giggly, unserious one of them. It was disgusting. It really makes you wonder how much they benefitted from some AA program for women to get through engineering school.


10 posted on 11/18/2022 2:55:41 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If you're not part of the solution, you're just scumming up the bottom of the beaker!)
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Guess if a person can self identity their gender then they can self identity as a lawyer......


11 posted on 11/18/2022 2:57:26 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: ConservativeInPA

If I need a doctor, a lawyer, a protector I care not about his color. The man that cut into my eyes to put lenses in due to cataracts was Chinese American. I used him because my optometrist a white guy said he did his and is the best. My former dentist was black. My GI man was Indonesian. Most of my other care was by whites. I care not about color. I care a great deal about one’s abilities.


12 posted on 11/18/2022 3:02:00 PM PST by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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To: karpov

Just give POCs any degree they desire without having to take any classes or tests as long as they sign up for the student loans and hand them over to the “universities.”


13 posted on 11/18/2022 3:02:26 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████.)
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Stop giving Federal loans to law students, and let people who pass the bar exam be attorneys, even if they did not go to law school. Lincoln did not attend law school.

Couldn't agree more.

14 posted on 11/18/2022 3:06:16 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: cpdiii

That’s because of standards that lead to competence. I don’t care about race, national origin or faith. I do care about competence.


15 posted on 11/18/2022 3:10:04 PM PST by ConservativeInPA ( Scratch a leftist and you'll find a fascist )
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To: quikstrike98

“His shit’s all f’d up, an he talks like a fag...”


16 posted on 11/18/2022 3:11:48 PM PST by EEGator
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To: ConservativeInPA

This allows the schools to in effect use a quota system.


17 posted on 11/18/2022 3:12:03 PM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: Dr. Franklin

No conservative practicing attorney I know belongs to the woke ABA.

If not for a surprisingly good score on the LSAT, I would not have been admitted to a top-10 elite law school. I’m glad no one figured out that I was Choctaw until my third year.


18 posted on 11/18/2022 3:13:07 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: Dr. Franklin

CA actually still has an apprentice path to becoming a lawyer. Less than a couple dozen people do it every year, basically bc the mentor lawyer has to want to spend enough time on this to be effective. Most lawyers don’t want to do it.


19 posted on 11/18/2022 3:15:35 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: karpov

When you eliminate objective standards, it all comes down to politics and/or bootlicking.

The SAT was originally put in place to help poor kids with ability get into top universities.


20 posted on 11/18/2022 3:16:31 PM PST by rbg81
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