[aMorePerfectUnion]

"...UK intelligence has revealed."

- believed as an authoritative source by Zeepers everywhere.

[Irenic]

Makes sense.

[GOPJ]

Biden doesn’t mind bankrupting the United States either... Gotta protect Hunter’s friends... or at least their borders.

[popdonnelly]

Unlike the United States, where we spend a third of the budget on junk.

[NorthMountain]

Russia spending on "DEFENSE"???

ROFL!!!

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

[MinorityRepublican]

Ukraine is going to have to attack and seize Crimea in the spring. Failing to do so, it’ll turn into a war of attrition. Ukraine is not going to want that. So by May, we should see a Spring Offensive by the Kyiv Government.

[protoconservative]

Shit...117 billion... we blow that muck on paper masks and a month of lockdowns. Who ever called these folks world players?

[Sunsong]

May putin continue to spend all his funds on a losing cause

And May the russian people tire of it very soon

May it be so!

[Zhang Fei]

Ukraine ping

Putin’s still a long way from treating this as a total war. During WWII, US defense spending wasn’t 1/3 of the budget - it was over 1/3 of the entire economy.

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/defense_spending_history

The current Pentagon budget is around $800b. If we were spending at WWII levels, that budget would be over $8T. That’s how we manufactured 100K military aircraft in 4 years, among other feats.

Putin’s unwillingness to go further in mobilizing the Russian economy may be why Russia is short on just about everything. While mobiks are dying in waves, the grocery stores are well-supplied. Even the US had rationing in WWII. Whereas Hitler resisted American measures until the very end, when it was too late to matter, and the Russians could no longer be pushed back over the Urals.

Putin’s principal reason for holding back? He may not feel that the Russian people think the invasion of Ukraine is worth significant sacrifice. Hitler never took the German people’s support for granted, which is why he delayed total mobilization until the very end.

[Theoria]

[Sacajaweau]

ukraine is spending 1/3 of our budget...

[CIB-173RDABN]

I am not not sure what Putin hope to accomplished with the war but I do know it would have been cheaper to bribe the Ukraine leadership (making sure the Big Guy got his 10%) then this war is costing Russia to accomplish what he wanted.

If Putin “wins” he may find it to be a Pyrrhic Victory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

[canuck_conservative]

isolated, with few allies, paranoid, almost no manufacturing exports, most of the country’s budget spent on the military not the people, but they got a lot of guns and are always the victim

sounds like Russia is turning into a northern version of North-Korea-with-more-land

[cranked]

Budgeted. Damn.

Wonder what other countries do with budgeted military/defense spending.....

[Cronos]

More money to corrupt officials in Russia

[sauropod]

Missileski targetski apartment buildingski?

More money for that?

[daniel1212]

To: Boogieman; Myrddin

And that the cry of the MSM about how US defense spending is so much more than China and Russia is so much sophistry, since it is ignores procurement costs in addition to other differences.

If you account for differences in reporting structure, purchasing power, and labor costs, you find that China’s 2017 defense budget provided 87 percent of the purchasing power of American’s 2017 defense budget.  This runs counter to the conventional wisdom that the United States spends more on its military than the next 12 countries combined or that China lags annual U.S. military spending by close to $400 billion. Those misleading comparisons are based on simply converting Beijing’s reported defense budget from yuan to dollars by applying a market exchange rate. That produces a distorted picture. - https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/chinas-defense-spending-larger-it-looks

Even Politio cites research by LTSG, a defense consultancy, that

Research into Chinese defense investments since 2000 reveals that, compared with the United States, China has prioritized purchasing weapons and equipment over spending on personnel salaries or on operations and maintenance. As a result, the U.S. military is on track to be outgunned — potentially in quantity and quality of armaments — by the end of President Joe Biden’s first term. The lack of data on Chinese defense spending reflects the notorious unreliability of official releases from Beijing. Annual People’s Republic of China Finance Ministry announcements of the defense budget diverge from Defense Ministry disclosures, and have historically omitted cost categories that other countries include, such as weapons imports.

To address this challenge, LTSG research group conducted a multiyear, open-source effort to estimate Chinese defense spending since 2000 by service across different categories such as personnel, operations and maintenance, and procurement...For procurement, U.S. dollar estimates were converted to renminbi. The results showed consistent annual inflation-adjusted growth of roughly 10 percent for the past 20 years..If, as projected, by 2024 the PLA’s annual procurement value exceeds that of the U.S. military, then by about 2030 the United States will no longer boast the world’s most advanced fighting force in total inventory value.

- https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2021/05/27/china-could-soon-outgun-the-us-493014

And besides procurement costs,

The official defense budget does not account for all of China’s military-related activities. For example, many defense-related outlays fall directly under the Central Military Commission (CMC), China’s highest military authority, chaired by Xi Jinping. For instance, the People’s Armed Police (PAP), a paramilitary force charged with maintaining internal security and supporting the military in times of war, is under the command of the CMC but not included in the budget. The Chinese Coast Guard, which plays a key role in asserting China’s maritime claims and was placed under the control of the PAP in 2018, is likewise excluded from the official budget.

According to SIPRI, China’s military spending far exceeds that of its neighbors and was greater than the combined expenditure of India, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan in 2019. Cross-national comparisons are insightful, but accounting for variations in prices is difficult. For example, the current annual pay for an entry-level active-duty U.S. soldier (about $39,600) would likely cover the cost of several PLA soldiers due to price differences. When adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), China’s 2019 defense expenditure rises by well over $100 billion. - https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-chinas-2021-defense-budget

And that the cry of the MSM about how US defense spending is so much more than China and Russia is so much sophistry, since it is ignores procurement costs in addition to other differences.

If you account for differences in reporting structure, purchasing power, and labor costs, you find that China’s 2017 defense budget provided 87 percent of the purchasing power of American’s 2017 defense budget.  This runs counter to the conventional wisdom that the United States spends more on its military than the next 12 countries combined or that China lags annual U.S. military spending by close to $400 billion. Those misleading comparisons are based on simply converting Beijing’s reported defense budget from yuan to dollars by applying a market exchange rate. That produces a distorted picture. - https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/chinas-defense-spending-larger-it-looks

Even Politio cites research by LTSG, a defense consultancy, that

Research into Chinese defense investments since 2000 reveals that, compared with the United States, China has prioritized purchasing weapons and equipment over spending on personnel salaries or on operations and maintenance. As a result, the U.S. military is on track to be outgunned — potentially in quantity and quality of armaments — by the end of President Joe Biden’s first term. The lack of data on Chinese defense spending reflects the notorious unreliability of official releases from Beijing. Annual People’s Republic of China Finance Ministry announcements of the defense budget diverge from Defense Ministry disclosures, and have historically omitted cost categories that other countries include, such as weapons imports.

To address this challenge, LTSG research group conducted a multiyear, open-source effort to estimate Chinese defense spending since 2000 by service across different categories such as personnel, operations and maintenance, and procurement...For procurement, U.S. dollar estimates were converted to renminbi. The results showed consistent annual inflation-adjusted growth of roughly 10 percent for the past 20 years..If, as projected, by 2024 the PLA’s annual procurement value exceeds that of the U.S. military, then by about 2030 the United States will no longer boast the world’s most advanced fighting force in total inventory value.

- https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-china-watcher/2021/05/27/china-could-soon-outgun-the-us-493014

And besides procurement costs,

The official defense budget does not account for all of China’s military-related activities. For example, many defense-related outlays fall directly under the Central Military Commission (CMC), China’s highest military authority, chaired by Xi Jinping. For instance, the People’s Armed Police (PAP), a paramilitary force charged with maintaining internal security and supporting the military in times of war, is under the command of the CMC but not included in the budget. The Chinese Coast Guard, which plays a key role in asserting China’s maritime claims and was placed under the control of the PAP in 2018, is likewise excluded from the official budget.

According to SIPRI, China’s military spending far exceeds that of its neighbors and was greater than the combined expenditure of India, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan in 2019. Cross-national comparisons are insightful, but accounting for variations in prices is difficult. For example, the current annual pay for an entry-level active-duty U.S. soldier (about $39,600) would likely cover the cost of several PLA soldiers due to price differences. When adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), China’s 2019 defense expenditure rises by well over $100 billion. - https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-chinas-2021-defense-budget