Posted on 02/22/2023 2:04:39 PM PST by hcmama
I would think that Taiwan buys from us, Ukraine is hardly in the position currently to be buying, they are having their economy and infrastructure, manufacturing base, and population destroyed by Russia.
Taiwan buys their weapons from us.
Russia is not taking on NATO. They are invading and taking on Ukraine.
Observational Fact: Russia military highly overrated. Can you imagine if Warthogs, Apache’s and F35s were easily taking out there tanks and wheels with troops in them.
It would be worse than the Marianas Turkey Shoot in WWII and every bit as bad as the Gulf War 1 annhilation of the Iraqi Army columns. The Russian logistics and leadership is poor at best, maybe suicidal in a war with NATO.
If we give Ukraine better weapons, Russia not only leaves, but loses Crimea.
Good. Insist on the same for Ukraine, I’d say.
They are at war and have little to no money with the economy shut down.
Not only will the West give them weapons, when Russia leaves, they will rebuild the entire country.
So, if LiberalTarians figure that in, maybe they will start rooting on the defeat of the Russians, before we have to pay that expense to. We will. Don’t fool yourself.
So there’s lend-lease. It worked for Britain while their ships were being torpedoed by U-boats. This gifting crap invites corruption and is getting on my f@#$ing nerves.
“So, if LiberalTarians figure that in, maybe they will start rooting on the defeat of the Russians, before we have to pay that expense to. We will. Don’t fool yourself.”
It’s what was done in Europe and Asia with the Marshall Plan, which wasn’t just gifting stuff, either.
Exactly what should be done, then. Under lend-lease terms. Enough of this slow war of attrition. It’s good for Raytheon, but bad for everyone else.
“...If we give Ukraine better weapons, Russia not only leaves, but loses Crimea...”
Yes, but in spite of all the publicity surrounding Javelins, many Russian vehicles have been taken out with Soviet-era RPG and panzerfaust type weapons with relatively short ranges. The Ukrainians had to get up close and personal to knockout BMPs, BTRs, and tanks with those types of little aim-and-fire unguided rockets. Such quality troops will make good use of the better weapons and equipment from body armor to ATACMS. We need to get the good stuff there.
Send the real stuff and Russia loses. Exportable F16 Vipers, older Abrams tanks which are better than what Russia has, older Apache tank killers.
Problem is, the Ukrainians would have to train on them, and they would need the right ammo and spare parts. OK. So send them what they can use right now and plenty of them, but on lend-lease terms. Their chain of command is better, their motivation is better, and their doctrine is more flexible. They don’t need state of the art, but they need something to end this quickly.
I believe some of this is to be paid back in the future.
The numbers you see are not as pure as people think, we are cagey also.
A lot of that money never leaves America and we are dumping a lot of near-expiration date armaments that we would have to pay the environmental companies to destroy, instead, we send them to Ukraine listed at full retail cost, when actually we were going to have to mark them at zero and then pay to have them destroyed.
The replacement of the old with the new rejuvenates our sluggish weapons companies, creates work for our people, and better prepares our future defenses.
Glad to hear that much. But I think the production pace must be radically stepped up. Brandon has “unified” Russia and China with Iran, with the Taliban thrown in for a cherry on top, which was never supposed to happen. So now WW III is a possibility that must be prepared for ASAP. “America is back!” Ha.
It’s mystifying to me why so many people think that Russia is suddenly going to become competent. It’s a third-world country run by mob bosses and it’s always been that way.
Production is being ramped up.
You just keep going on and on with senseless bitching.
If production is being ramped up, why are they running out of javelines and stingers? I am asking questions. I’m sorry that is in your eyes “senseless bitching,” but last I checked it’s how one learns things.
Why don’t you do some of your own research, you are on the internet.
Because I have you, and you have graciously offered inside information, so I would like to pick your brain as part of my research. Why do you find that annoying? I have inside information on a few things, and I’m happy to share that information when asked, and even when not asked. I feel flattered, not put upon.
So anyway, how many Javelines is Raytheon making per month now, with Armageddon around the corner, as opposed to before this time last year?
Bakhmut and other places have been a meat grinder for the Ukrainian military. If it weren’t the lying media would be on the front lines showing the incredible victories every single day.
“ Observational Fact: Russia military highly overrated. Can you imagine if Warthogs, Apache’s and F35s were easily taking out there tanks and wheels with troops in them.
It would be worse than the Marianas Turkey Shoot in WWII and every bit as bad as the Gulf War 1 annhilation of the Iraqi Army columns. The Russian logistics and leadership is poor at best, maybe suicidal in a war with NATO.
If we give Ukraine better weapons, Russia not only leaves, but loses Crimea.”
Or Russia takes out all military bases in Europe, the Eastern, Western, and Gulf coasts of America. A short time later most strategic sites in between, and our Navy.
I just don’t understand why so many on FR don’t comprehend that. Jesus did say we would believe a lie.
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