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Ukraine claims Bakhmut battle is Wagner’s ‘last stand’
The New York Times ^ | March 7, 2023 | Andrew E. Kramer and Anatoly Kurmanaev

Posted on 03/07/2023 7:57:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

KYIV, Ukraine — Russia’s Wagner mercenary group has been forced to use more of its professional recruits in Bakhmut to replace its depleted supply of enlisted prisoners, who are perishing by the thousands in the longest battle of the war, a Ukrainian official said on Tuesday.

The claim suggested that Ukraine sees an opportunity, despite the heavy casualties it has suffered in the eastern city, to exhaust Wagner’s nearly suicidal prisoner assaults, which Ukraine’s commanders regard as one of Russia’s most effective tactics.

“This is their last stand,” Col. Serhiy Cherevaty, a spokesperson for Ukraine’s eastern group of forces, told Radio Liberty in an interview, referring to Wagner’s forces in Bakhmut, where Russia and Ukraine’s vicious, monthslong struggle has left thousands of soldiers dead and the city in rubble.

Ukrainian officials have claimed that nearly 30,000 of Wagner’s 50,000 troops have deserted or been killed or wounded, many around Bakhmut. That number could not be independently verified, and Ukraine has not disclosed its own losses in the region. Russia’s defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, claimed on Tuesday that Ukraine had lost more than 11,000 troops in February.

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1 posted on 03/07/2023 7:57:15 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican; Kazan; JonPreston; BobL
I was worried that I wasn't going to get The Straight Skinny from Colonel Serhiy Cherevaty and Radio Liberty on the Bakhmut Real Deal!

Thanks for posting this!

2 posted on 03/07/2023 8:02:22 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: MinorityRepublican

3 posted on 03/07/2023 8:03:27 PM PST by PGR88
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To: MinorityRepublican

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4 posted on 03/07/2023 8:04:26 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: Kazan; JonPreston; BobL
The Russians have run out of artillery shells and missiles, and now they're running out of Wangers.

Hopefully, there's enough shovels for the Last Wanger Shovel Assault.

5 posted on 03/07/2023 8:05:23 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wagner can’t lose 30,000 troops because it never even had 10,000 employees.


6 posted on 03/07/2023 8:05:54 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: MinorityRepublican

A “Ukrainian Official” and the New York Times.


7 posted on 03/07/2023 8:06:34 PM PST by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: MinorityRepublican

They’re gonna try to break through Bahkmut but it’s over. The only people you’re fighting is a bunch of wagner prisoners that Putin doesn’t give a shit about. If the Ukrainians want to win start doing what the Russians are doing: don’t state future intentions, don’t fear running from battles with disasterous outcomes, and don’t get caught in a grind.

The Russians send out a bunch of 80iq Wagners with some aks and you shoot and in a minute the artillery drops.


8 posted on 03/07/2023 8:07:15 PM PST by struggle
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wagner’s last stand? Götterdämmerung time.


9 posted on 03/07/2023 8:07:29 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAXI)
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https://kyivindependent.com/national/ukrainian-soldiers-in-bakhmut-our-troops-are-not-being-protected

Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut: ‘Our troops are not being protected’

Russia’s relentless assault on Bakhmut is sacrificing waves and waves of unprepared men being sent to their deaths. But multiple defenders of this embattled city in Donetsk Oblast feel that they are in a similar boat, according to interviews with more than a dozen soldiers currently fighting in or around Bakhmut.

During their brief visits to the nearby town of Kostiantynivka, Ukrainian infantrymen told the Kyiv Independent of unprepared, poorly-trained battalions being thrown into the front line meat grinder to survive as best they could with little support from armored vehicles, mortars, artillery, drones and tactical information.

“We don’t get any support,” says a soldier named Serhiy, who has been fighting on the front lines in Bakhmut, sitting down with his friend, also named Serhiy, for a conversation in a small cafe in the Kostiantynivka market. Both men are in their 40s but one of them is a bit older than the other.

The soldiers lack about everything that would support their defense:

They say that Russian artillery, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers are often allowed to strike Ukrainian positions for hours or days without being shut down by Ukrainian heavy weapons. Some complained of poor coordination and situational awareness, allowing this to happen or making it even worse.

Mortarmen spoke of extreme ammunition scarcity and having to use weapons dating back to World War II. Drones that are supposed to provide critical reconnaissance information are also scarce and are being l

All this leads to terrifying casualties of both dead and wounded. "The battalion came in in the middle of December… between all the different platoons, there were 500 of us," says Borys, a combat medic from Odesa Oblast fighting around Bakhmut. "A month ago, there were literally 150 of us."

“When you go out to the position, it’s not even a 50/50 chance that you’ll come out of there (alive),” says the older Serhiy. “It’s more like 30/70.”

The soldiers describe the Russian operation as small reconnaissance followed by artillery fire. This is repeated again and again until it has reached the desired result. The very reasonable application of this tactic is why I disregard claims of 'waves or Russian cannon fodder storming forward' or of 'high Russian losses'. They are obviously nonsense:

The older Serhiy says that the enemy likes to send a team of three or four expendable foot soldiers to attack and make the Ukrainians expose themselves by shooting at them. At that point, the more elite forces zero in on the defenders’ position.

Once they begin exchanging fire, the Ukrainians are struck with heavier weapons like Russian mortars and rockets from Grad multiple launch rocket systems or BMP infantry fighting vehicles and BTR armored personnel carriers with machine guns.

“They get the positions where we are, establish the coordinates, then they hit us from seven to nine kilometers out with mortars,” as well as from closer by with grenade launchers, says the older Serhiy. “They wait for the house to fall so we have to jump out. The building catches fire and then they try to finish us off.”

“Their birds come out and they chase us with fire,” adds the younger Serhiy, referring to Russian UAVs, like quadcopters and Orlan-10 fixed wing drones that spot distant heavy weapons. “They hit accurately.”

As Russians destroy more and more buildings, Ukrainians keep losing more places where they can reliably take cover. Borys the medic says people have been lost when their entrenched positions collapsed from heavy Russian fire, suffocating them.

“I’ll put it like this, we should get our people out because if we don’t take off, then in the next few weeks, it’s going to be bad,” says Oleksandr. A mortarman named Illia agrees that Bakhmut is “practically encircled.”

For lack of ammunition there is no Ukrainian counter artillery fire. Infantry fighting vehicles are held back from the front. The little trained Territorial Brigades are sent in at night to be killed the next morning:

Multiple soldiers say Bakhmut troops are barely given enough time to learn to shoot a rifle – sometimes their training is just 2 weeks, before they’re dropped into the hottest parts of the most intense current battle of the war. They would have preferred for troops to get a minimum of two or three months of training before being deployed to such a hot spot. “Two weeks’ live training and they’re sent here. You can’t do that,” says the older Serhiy. “Or it’s a person who once served in the army, how long ago was that? Obviously they forgot everything.”

“We were promised that we wouldn’t be sent to the zero line right away, that at first we’d be sent to the second or third line,” he continues. “And then we came here in the middle of the night and they immediately sent us to Bakhmut.”

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According to both soldiers named Serhiy, most brigades are insufficiently trained and lack the experience for an environment as brutal as Bakhmut. People are taken at night to a place they’d never seen before and the battle starts in the morning.

“This is why positions are abandoned, people are there for the first time,” says the younger Serhiy. “I went to a position three times and was given six people who hadn’t fought at all before. We had a few dead and wounded that had to be evacuated… Our people are not being protected.”

Oleksandr confirms that while some battalions fighting in Bakhmut are well-trained and ready, most of them aren’t and many were thrown in at night without much preparation. “Yes, that’s true, my battalion was not prepared,” he says. After five months without a single break from the fighting, only half of Oleksandr’s battalion is left, he says.

“They shouldn’t have rushed to throw everyone in there,” says the younger Serhiy. “Better to abandon those positions, who cares? It’s better to properly train people.”

10 posted on 03/07/2023 8:14:59 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Fido969
A “Ukrainian Official” and the New York Times.

Some people will only accept "the real truth" via the Kremlin, or Putin, or Pravda.
11 posted on 03/07/2023 8:15:01 PM PST by adorno
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Walter Duranty of The Spew York Times got a Pulitzer for aiding and abetting Uncle Joe Stalin's genocide of the Ukrainian kulaks nearly 100 years ago.

Nice call.

12 posted on 03/07/2023 8:18:43 PM PST by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ukraine doesn’t STAND A CHANCE until their yacht-based Scuba Divers, who BLEW UP Nordstream (according to the New York Times), return to the battlefield to employ their Pea Shooters against the Russian T-90 tanks.


13 posted on 03/07/2023 8:20:40 PM PST by BobL
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wagner’s exposed northern and southern flanks around Bakhmut are screwed. No wonder Prigo was in such a panic yesterday. In fact, crickets from Prigo in the last 24 hours.


14 posted on 03/07/2023 8:20:56 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Slimes also reported, as requested by DC, that Ukrs blew up the gas pipelines, despite lacking the capability to do so.

So this “report” of a “claim” is entitled to no credibility.


15 posted on 03/07/2023 8:22:41 PM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: kiryandil

Bakhmut day 275. Prigo and Shoigu still cosplaying the German pincers at Kursk without the tanks. Too funny!


16 posted on 03/07/2023 8:28:58 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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Yet another place where Liberaltarian Putin Cucks come to die.


17 posted on 03/07/2023 8:29:52 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan Conservative: Economic Freedom, Peace through Strength, American Values- De Oppresso Liber)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The headline is from the Department of Custer’s Last Stand.


18 posted on 03/07/2023 8:30:20 PM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Goldwater 2024)
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To: MinorityRepublican

LOL

simply hilarious

Pythonesque


19 posted on 03/07/2023 8:33:01 PM PST by wardaddy (Truth is treason in the Empire of lies)
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To: MinorityRepublican
You can tell the war is not going well for Ukraine. Zelensky has turned up the propaganda machine to '11'.

20 posted on 03/07/2023 8:33:57 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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