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Ukraine SitRep - Avdiivka
https://www.moonofalabama.org/ ^ | March 21, 203

Posted on 03/21/2023 12:52:50 PM PDT by elpadre

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To: MeganC

I wish we could send out violent career criminals there too......either side would be fine. apparently you cannot read a map. Bakhmut is almost surrounded and Ukraine has last a lot of troops (unfortunately) too.


21 posted on 03/21/2023 2:38:46 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: struggle

Thats a shame so many die to hide the money laundering CONgress has been doing since 2014. BTW other countries also used Ukraine for money laundering.


22 posted on 03/21/2023 2:48:29 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: elpadre

Bkmk


23 posted on 03/21/2023 4:36:56 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy thmkeorist stuff, there.”)
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To: MeganC
The Russians, er, Wagner group, now control 70% of Bakhmut despite the fact that Zelensky has sent thousands of troops to their death trying to defend it.

You a literally a female Baghdad Bob.

Russia Controls 70% Bakhmut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEm4cX6B3gk&t=495s

24 posted on 03/21/2023 5:12:00 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

How the mighty have fallen from the first days of the 10-day invasion.

More than a year later the bragging is about how after 9 months of attacking they feel or at least hope they are close to taking a town that had 2/3rds the population of Fishers, Indiana.


25 posted on 03/21/2023 5:27:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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“...This is now the second Ukrainian held area on the Donetsk front that is in operational encirclement. In both areas the Russian follow Sun Tzu’s advice to not completely close off an encirclement but to leave a route out. This prevents fanatical defenses by encircled troops or it may even lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position....”

That’s some heavy duty BS.


26 posted on 03/21/2023 5:59:27 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: rxh4n1

“..lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position....”

Maybe this is why the Ukrainians refer to that battle as the “meat grinder.”


27 posted on 03/21/2023 6:10:24 PM PDT by elpadre (nd )
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To: Kazan

At this rate Russia needs about 30 million troops to reach Kyiv. Lol


28 posted on 03/21/2023 6:57:40 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: MeganC
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/03/ukraine-sitrep-avdiivka.html#more

Bakhmut is encircled. All roads in and out of it are under Russian artillery fire.

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Meanwhile other encirclement has taken place in Avdiivka

Avdiivka is strongly fortified. Its coke plant is a strong-point. The Ukrainian army used the city to lob artillery into Donetsk city. But attempts to seize it were largely unsuccessful. Two week ago the situation suddenly changed. The Russian airforce started to bomb Avdiivka with heavy glide bombs. At the same time an operations was launched to envelope the city from two directions.

An east to west move north of Avdiivka cut the rail access to the city. Russian forces crossed the railroad and moved further west. Fighting is currently ongoing in Berdychi. South of Berdychi is Orlovka, a road crossing point (O0542, C015801, C015802) that is for now the only real supply route left for Avdiivka.

In the southwest of Avdiivka the Russian forces moved northward. They are currently trying to capture Siverne. The first progress there was stopped when on March 12 the Ukrainian 36th Marine Brigade was placed in the area.

Armed reconnaissance has also taken place into the southwest area of Avdiivka city which is made up of high rises.

The distance between the Russian positions in the southwest and in the northwest of Avdiivka is 8 kilometer (5 miles). That is sufficiently narrow for Russian artillery to interdict road traffic that goes through the area in between.

The landscape around Avdiivka is mostly featureless. There are a few slag hills that rise about 50 meter above their surrounding flatland. But they can be easily covered by artillery and are thus not really helpful for either side.

This is now the second Ukrainian held area on the Donetsk front that is in operational encirclement. In both areas the Russian follow Sun Tzu's advice to not completely close off an encirclement but to leave a route out. This prevents fanatical defenses by encircled troops or it may even lead the enemy to push more forces into a hopeless position.

If the Ukrainian military had plans to relieve Bakhmut with a counterattack it now has to think of the additional problem that the encirclement of Avdiivka brings. Should it start there? Should it split the forces it had accumulated and planned to use for the counterattack in Bakhmut and start a parallel one in Avdiivka? Should it give up on one or both cities? Those are difficult decisions.

I find it likely that the Russian attacks on Bakhmut were halted after the Avdiivka development succeeded to give the Ukraine military enough time to make an error.

29 posted on 03/21/2023 7:13:14 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MeganC
You're militarily illiterate.

The Russians are grinding down the Ukrainian army. That's the objective of war -- to defeat the other side's army. Ukraine has lost about 200,000 men with 400,000 dead and injured.

Ukraine is running out of men, ammo and weapons.

BTW, Russia has annexed 40,000 square miles of territory, which comprised 70-80% of Ukraine's GDP, land Ukraine is never getting back. It's built a land bridge from Crimea to mainland Russia. It controls almost the entire Black Sea.

But, you think Ukraine is winning? You're a fool.

30 posted on 03/21/2023 7:17:31 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: elpadre

Maybe this is why the Ukrainians refer to that battle as the “meat grinder.”

I can’t recall any instance in military history where a surrounded force was deliberately offered a way out. Hitler and Dunkirk comes to mind but I think that was after the fact rationalization of the failure to capture the BEF.


31 posted on 03/21/2023 7:40:07 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: Kazan

You like calling me names. Bitch, illiterate, fool, etc.

This kind of thing tells me you’re frustrated and losing control.

It’s hardly a statement of confidence on your part.


32 posted on 03/21/2023 8:45:37 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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