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Japan motorcycle makers revving up on hydrogen
Asia Times ^

Posted on 05/20/2023 4:03:16 AM PDT by FarCenter

Japanese motorcycle makers Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda and Yamaha will work together to develop hydrogen-powered internal combustion engines for “small mobility.” In addition to motorcycles, that is likely to include various hydrogen-powered mini-vehicles, small marine vessels, construction equipment and drones.

Each company will develop its own final products. Their current product lines give an indication of what those might be in addition to those mentioned above: three- and four-wheeled minicars, all-terrain and off-road vehicles, snowmobiles, jet skis, outboard motors for small boats, golf carts and multi-purpose engines for the likes of lawn mowers and generators.

The four companies announced this week that they had received approval from Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) to form a “Hydrogen Small mobility & Engine technology” (HySE) research association with Kawasaki Heavy Industries (KHI) and Toyota Motor as supporting members.

The association’s R&D efforts will be focused on the functionality, performance and reliability of hydrogen-powered engines and the fueling system, including small hydrogen tanks and related equipment.

Japan’s idea of green

The companies participating in HySE, other Japanese auto companies and the Japanese government favor “a multi-pathway strategy” to move beyond gasoline engines and achieve zero-emission transportation.

They have been relatively slow to embrace battery-powered electric vehicles (EVs), preferring hybrids and continuing to develop alternatives including hydrogen fuel cells and now hydrogen internal combustion engines. For this, they have been harshly criticized by Greenpeace and other decarbonization purists.

In response, Toyota’s chief scientist, Gill Pratt, explains that when it comes to carbon neutrality (the term for having a balance between emitting carbon and absorbing carbon from the atmosphere in carbon sinks), “diversity is strength.”

Pratt has been CEO of Toyota Research Institute (TRI) since 2016. Before that, he spent several years at the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), where he led the Robotics Challenge, Robotics Research and Neuromorphic Computing research programs. He says,

Making a BEV [battery electric vehicle] requires up to six times more critical minerals than a conventional gasoline-powered vehicle. What’s more, while a battery plant can be built in two to three years, a new mine takes 10 to 15 years to be operational. As a result, despite the planet’s abundance of untapped battery minerals, many experts including the IEA [International Energy Agency] forecast a 30-50% shortfall in battery minerals over the next 10-20 years (roughly the lifespan of an automobile).


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To: VTenigma

Kudos to your sarcasm as well, FRiend. ;-)


21 posted on 05/20/2023 7:26:57 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: sushiman

Where are the hydrogen mines located? How is the refined hydrogen transported to point of consumption? What about the greenhouse gas emissions from the conversion of the hydrogen into that most notorious greenhouse gas of all, water vapor?

So many questions so few answers.


22 posted on 05/20/2023 7:42:16 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fiction has to be at least plausible, while reality obeys no such constraint.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

It was in gas form not liquid form major difference.

Fuel cells work


23 posted on 05/20/2023 8:21:01 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: FreedomPoster

Ding!
Reality is a challenge these days.


24 posted on 05/20/2023 9:13:51 AM PDT by sonova (That's what I always say sometimes.)
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To: V_TWIN

The British Top Gear guys said hydrogen power was at least worth exploring so that’s good enough for me.

+++++++++++++

You are going to hitch your wagon to that?


25 posted on 05/20/2023 9:20:27 AM PDT by sonova (That's what I always say sometimes.)
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To: sonova

I’d consider that over a battery car that’s for sure


26 posted on 05/20/2023 11:04:51 AM PDT by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: FarCenter

Hydrogen is near impossible to store. Plus it will blow up or start a fire you cannot see until you are on fire.


27 posted on 05/20/2023 9:56:05 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: logi_cal869
America is the Saudi Arabia of coal and natural gas. Our government won't let us mine nor drill for it in a way that would make us energy independent.

All in the name of "clean energy"...nevermind the slave pits where children are forced to mine for lithium, all so we can feel better about ourselves.

If hydrogen can be made safely and economically, then by all means go for it.

28 posted on 05/23/2023 4:26:50 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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To: V_TWIN
True, the Hindenberg blew up in 1937. We get angry when California doesn't drill for oil because of a spill in 1969.

If hydrogen can be used as a positive fuel source, then by all means do it.

29 posted on 05/23/2023 4:28:36 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (The best slaves put their own chains on )
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To: MuttTheHoople

The irony is that right now most hydrogen is derived from nat gas.

If we ever return to a point of energy surplus (i.e., establishment of modern nuclear power, as opposed to the antique plants now operating), safely & economically will quickly follow for sourcing hydrogen from its natural source: Water.


30 posted on 05/23/2023 5:46:44 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

Solar cells produce electricity that separates water into hydrogen and oxygen.

Hydrogen fuels automobiles

So, we need more wind turbines and solar cells to produce the planet saving hydrogen

QED


31 posted on 05/23/2023 5:53:25 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day )
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To: bert
Sure. Let's sacrifice yet more farmland and kill more bald eagles in pursuit of 'the dream'.

/s


32 posted on 05/23/2023 5:56:44 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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