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1 posted on 06/24/2023 2:41:06 AM PDT by McGruff
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So far this AM (German time)...the only noticeable thing is two Russian Army helicopters shot down.

If the Russian Army had to turn and support a internal civil war...they could probably dedicate 30k troops to this, but it’d end most of the offensive in the Ukraine.

On the Wagner total...lot of differing numbers on what they might have in Rostov...at least couple of hundred. But begs the question...are there Russian troops that would support Wagner at this point...instead of the Army generals?


2 posted on 06/24/2023 2:57:57 AM PDT by pepsionice
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"Putin vows to defend Russia against armed rebellion led by mercenary chief: 'They will answer for it'"

Somebody wake schmucky schumer and ask if he has any interest in seeing what a real insurrection looks like.


3 posted on 06/24/2023 2:59:49 AM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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I’m sure this is just more deep state propaganda from the likes of DeSantis and Bullwinkle. Or it’s a trap!!


10 posted on 06/24/2023 3:39:12 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Guns don't kill people, Democrats do. )
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To: McGruff

Always fun to have a mutiny behind your front lines.

Nothing new.

Prigozhin ain’t no Marshall Petan, but he’s trying.


12 posted on 06/24/2023 3:40:34 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: McGruff
The Wagner boss sees what the reality on the ground really is, not what state propaganda, their shills in the US and Putin wants it to be.
15 posted on 06/24/2023 3:43:19 AM PDT by corlorde
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To: McGruff

Updates here

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4042550/posts?page=4615#4615


54 posted on 06/24/2023 5:04:30 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: McGruff

Follow the money. Prigozhin has been paid by some black ops.

Machiavelli had no use for mercenaries.


57 posted on 06/24/2023 5:16:39 AM PDT by Lonely Are The Brave (A man's got to know his limitations. Dirty Harry Callahan)
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To: McGruff; All

Putin never mentions which side started this rebellion, refers to Wagner fighters as heroes who fought beside Russian military, alludes to deception being used to foment this rebellion. Putin speaks of power struggle and egos. Accusations Prighozhin has long made against Russian military leadership.

From his demeanor and comments, you cannot conclude that Putin is accusing Prighozhin alone of deliberately inciting rebellion. Leaves open the possibility that Putin may believe that Wagner (and its chief) were incited and are being misled. Possible external involvement.

https://youtu.be/p_o_43QY4Jk


61 posted on 06/24/2023 5:41:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (It's not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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If Putin goes down, the left will make Biden a hero and re-elect a man with the intellect of a garden vegetable.


63 posted on 06/24/2023 5:44:53 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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“People continue to ask me my take on the situation in Russia.

My take is, that until we actually see any proof of kinetic hostilities, there is no situation in Russia.

We’ve seen wild speculation and unverified reports, but on the ground it looks like a photo op.

But if you want to know what I THINK is happening; I think Prigozhin is doing what he always does, which is say crazy shit to create the illusion of disarray, to cover for Russian tactical movement/assaults.

Just like he did in Bakhmut, he claimed Russia wasn’t giving him ammo, he was going to pull all his troops out, wanted Shoigu’s head on a platter, etc., only to turn around and finish taking Bakhmut shortly after.

I think Prigozhin and Putin are conducting a psyop to disguise Russian troop movement to either launch an offensive, or coerce Ukraine into attacking.

The only place this is a civil war is on the Internet, because the 🇺🇦 folks are eager to say and believe anything to deflect from the catastrophic losses in their holy “counter-offensive”.

Just like Belgorod, in a couple days, the NAFO trolls will be on to the next thing because this turned out to be nothing.

But as always, we shall wait and see.

- another take from Twitter

PS - I will add I’ve never seen Zeepers so euphoric since the daily mail article claimed Putin would be dead within months. That fact of Zeeper excitement alone makes this situation suspect.

The only issue would be which hard-liner replaced Putin.


80 posted on 06/24/2023 6:44:17 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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I wish Wagner PMC good hunting and I hope they get Putin’s execution on video. That’ll be the Feel Good video of the year!


85 posted on 06/24/2023 7:18:03 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: McGruff

Ritter and Nepalitano are live

https://www.youtube.com/live/PE2IqsAO-2M?feature=share


86 posted on 06/24/2023 7:20:32 AM PDT by HollyB
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Somebody will disappear into the desolate Siberian wilderness into a prison camp.


87 posted on 06/24/2023 7:30:17 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Prayers for America.)
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The big problem for the Russian Government is the better part of its army and equipment is either in Ukraine or massed in bases near the Ukraine border. Pretty much all that's left is skeleton crewed army bases and things like the internal security forces. It appears that the Wagner group has been preparing for this for a while and secretly holding back a lot of its manpower and equipment. So far in every town Wagner has occupied, they have done so without firing a shot, the small Russian army detachments just surrender as soon as Wagner shows up. What's funny, is this is likely the Russian governments fault as they spent years portraying Wagner as sort of the ultimate mercenary "Super Soldiers", so now all the regular army is just saying, "I'm not messing with that, I surrender!"

This leaves Putin with a very difficult decision; he could simply abandon Ukraine and try to pull everything back into Russia and attempt to crush Wagner but lose all the territory in Ukraine and likely even Crimea in the process. Or he could simply sit back and hope some true resistance to Wagner pops up Russia, or the people turn against them or something.

88 posted on 06/24/2023 7:33:38 AM PDT by apillar
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The MEDIA war is DEFINITELY ON hot and heavy.


97 posted on 06/24/2023 7:52:17 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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These treasonous, globalist-backed terrorists must be executed publicly.


126 posted on 06/24/2023 10:41:21 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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To: McGruff

Not sure what Prigozhin’s end game was here. I’m not buying he really wanted to overthrow the Ruskie government.

Remember Russia has around 6,000 nuclear warheads. A full blow civil war and you’ll be able to pick one up on Ebay.


150 posted on 06/26/2023 1:43:39 PM PDT by CodeJockey
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