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Supreme Court Will Decide If The Government Can Tax Income You Haven’t Received Yet
Daily Caller ^ | 6/26/23 | Katelynn Richardson

Posted on 06/26/2023 12:50:02 PM PDT by CFW

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To: abb
No matter how much they steal it will still never be enough, even 100%.

Pharaoh will double the brick requirment and take away the straw.

Deficit spending has insured multiple generations of slaves.

21 posted on 06/26/2023 1:11:44 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (A government of the government, by the government, for the government)
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To: CFW

Government shouldn’t be allowed to tax income. Period. Taxing income you haven’t gotten yet is beyond ridiculous. But we’ve been beyond ridiculous for a long time.


22 posted on 06/26/2023 1:12:37 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet (Appeasement never works.)
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To: Gen.Blather
How do you have a “profit” in a stock if you haven’t sold it yet?

The article describes the tax on foreign holdings as a tax on “unrealized gains,” but it sounds more like a tax on “reinvested dividends.”

If I own shares in a mutual fund and it pays me $1,000 in dividends this year, I have to report this as income even if my account is set up to automatically reinvest the dividends back into the mutual fund.

23 posted on 06/26/2023 1:18:57 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: lakecumberlandvet
But we’ve been beyond ridiculous for a long time

A fitting epitaph for this once great nation.

24 posted on 06/26/2023 1:19:56 PM PDT by tomkat (SOTU = FUBAR)
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To: CFW

Can decide now whether I gove a rats 🐀 butt or do I have to wait?


25 posted on 06/26/2023 1:21:25 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: 1Old Pro
Can you offset unrealized capital gains with unrealized capital losses?

Why would we let you do that?

There is nothing in it for us.

26 posted on 06/26/2023 1:22:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Touch that and cash is king. The whole public 401K system will go popcorn fart.


27 posted on 06/26/2023 1:23:32 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: CFW

Well of course Thomas will say no. And the rest probably will okay it.


28 posted on 06/26/2023 1:24:40 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Bible speaks truth! Don't believe it, you do so at your own peril. You'd better be right!!)
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To: Alberta's Child

“The article describes the tax on foreign holdings as a tax on “unrealized gains,” but it sounds more like a tax on “reinvested dividends.””

Now THAT makes sense.


29 posted on 06/26/2023 1:27:13 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Alberta's Child

Those reinvested dividends are still current income, AC. They’re added into your basis for when you sell the shares. I’m sure you know that, though.


30 posted on 06/26/2023 1:29:30 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: CFW
Supreme Court Will Decide If The Government Can Tax Income You Haven’t Received Yet

Unfortunately, SCOTUS already ventured into this realm with the Kelo v. City of New London, CT decision. A smart Constitutional lawyer will bring this case up to stop the practice of taxing unrealized gains, and maybe get SCOTUS to reverse the Kelo decision, too.

In Kelo, SCOTUS ruled that the 5th amendment eminent domain takings for "public use" included the ambiguous "public good." SCOTUS decided that it was a public "good" to increase the tax base of a community by taking private property away from less wealthy people and giving it to other private entities that can generate more taxes with that private property.

SCOTUS allowed the City of New London to declare perfectly good bedroom community homes to be declared "blighted" so they could condemn the property, claim eminent domain, and turn that property over to a developer who was going to build a business park for Pfizer. The new property would generate more property taxes for New London than the houses would, they reasoned.

In time, the developer was unable to secure financing and the project was abandoned. New London lost out on their existing property taxes from the houses, and also the unrealized future taxes from the business park that was never built.

Taxing the unrealized gains of investments may never actualize into gains when the person sells the assets. In fact, this tax might force the owner to sell the asset just to raise the revenue to pay for the tax.

As was the case with Kelo, it is speculative at best to count on an unrealized gain as realized for tax purposes, and SCOTUS should back away from this idea once and for all, and take that Kelo decision with it.

-PJ

31 posted on 06/26/2023 1:31:05 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: NohSpinZone

This is hugely important. Property taxes are based on unrealized valuations. Comps. Illegal in my mind.

I have been successful in my county at the “ equalization hearings”. We need to watch closely and IF unrealized gains are ruled against, every single citizen should file lawsuits against their counties for taxing unrealized property values.


32 posted on 06/26/2023 1:31:07 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Mariner

I doubt that but it will dampen investing. I want to know what happens when that unrealized gain you paid taxes on turns into an unrealized loss. I bet they will disallow a deduction for an unrealized loss and say you must sell it to claim.

I bet this passes....likely why the IRS wants 87,000 more agents with guns


33 posted on 06/26/2023 1:31:49 PM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: T.B. Yoits

The Founders went to war when the tax rate hit 7%.


34 posted on 06/26/2023 1:32:21 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Night Hides Not

Exactly. If your investment pays you a dividend, the IRS doesn’t care if you put the money in your pocket or reinvest it. It’s still taxed the same — as current income.


35 posted on 06/26/2023 1:34:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: CFW

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36 posted on 06/26/2023 1:35:55 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: CFW

Yes the government would be happy if they could take every cent you make. No tax too much.


37 posted on 06/26/2023 1:37:02 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: NohSpinZone

NohSpinZone wrote: “This is a trial balloon. If the leftists win, the real target will be all those unrealized gains in the trillions that make up our 401K and IRA accounts that they can’t get to until we turn 73 and are forced to make required minimum distributions.”

Don’t forget the unrealized gains in real estate appreciation. Just imagine having to get your home appraised every year for tax purposes.


38 posted on 06/26/2023 1:38:58 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: blackdog

And then they’ll implement a digital currency.


39 posted on 06/26/2023 1:43:10 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Galt is established as an option.


40 posted on 06/26/2023 1:45:01 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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