Posted on 07/24/2023 4:30:47 AM PDT by backpacker_c
If the above is true, I don’t want Ron anywhere near the White House.
Right. I want a clean, mature camping like Trump runs. No dirty tricks or name-calling.
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“Having a pro-gay President is important to you?”
LOL, you really think type of rhetoric is going to win people over? We’re not in 3rd grade anymore.
I was just trying to find out why the poster was supposedly so outraged. But since you stepped in on their behalf, when they never answered, let’s probe your thoughts on the issue. I have found your posts to typically be excellent on many matters.
So, should true conservatives just write the LGBT issue off, forever, at this point? To the point it’s considered “off limits” for any Republican candidates to raise the issue as a point of distinction between one another? So much so that anyone even raising the issue is the one who should be attacked, rather than the ones who support the homosexual lifestyle?
Not projection at all. You are saying that Trump is pro gay, because he promised them he will protect them.
In my book you are saying, is that gays should not be protected. Instead, they should be subjected to whatever violence that confronts them.
Listen, I get it, you are a DeSantis supporter, and you will protect him in every way you can.
When we protect Trump, we are accused of being cult members. Now I'm not saying you are one of those who call us cult members. Nor do I care that you support DeSantis.
But also understand, when you attack Trump, I will respond back. I did so because you made, what I see as, an ignorant statement by equating Trump's statement as being something counter to what is righteous & moral. What is righteous & moral, in my opinion, is to stand with those who are subjected to violence & death. Not because you agree with their sexual preference, in this particular case, but because you are against the violence they faced.
I obviously believe you are supporting the wrong person, but far be it for me to stop you from throwing your money away, because that too is your right. Even if Trump is removed by lawfare with BSS charges, it won't be DeSantis, for two reasons. He's not a MAGA supporter. He's a Deep State wannabe. Beyond that he's not his own man, he's an owned man. But the overriding factor, is he's not ready.
You made that up, completely, as best I can tell. That’s not what Trump has said at all. In the quotes I provided on this thread. He said he is “fighting for them.” To me, that sounds like he’s fighting for them forcing bakery owners to bake cakes for gay marriages, and even fighting for them forcing churches to have those gay weddings in their chapels, when the churches have tried to stop it. I personally find that abhorrent.
You are saying that Trump is pro gay, because he promised them he will protect them.
No, that’s wrong as well. I’ll call DeSantis out just like anyone else when he’s wrong. He’s just not wrong much. But an example are the deep fakes of Trump and Fauci hugging. I don’t know just how much him or his campaign are actually behind that, at all, but I found it outrageous, and have said so.
You exposed yourself here, honestly. You make it all much about personalities, and supporting “your man.” That’s not what it should be about, at all. It should be about principles, and supporting the one who best represents them. And if they fall short, call them out on it, to push them back in the right direction. All this hero worship of Trump is why he’s so comfortable doing what should be unacceptable things.
“If the above is true, I don’t want Ron anywhere near the White House.”
The key word there is “If”. And the people pushing the anti-DeSantis campaign of personal and political destruction are counting on you and others being too lazy to bother to find out if it’s “true”. They’re hoping you’ll just accept what they say. Sound familiar?
You made that up, completely, as best I can tell. That’s not what Trump has said at all. In the quotes I provided on this thread, he said he is “fighting for them.” To me, that sounds like he’s fighting for them by forcing bakery owners to bake cakes for gay marriages, and even fighting for them by forcing churches to have those gay weddings in their chapels, when the churches have tried to stop it. I personally find that abhorrent.
Listen, I get it, you are a DeSantis supporter, and you will protect him in every way you can. (corrected).
No, that’s wrong as well. I’ll call DeSantis out just like anyone else when he’s wrong. He’s just not wrong much. But an example are the deep fakes of Trump and Fauci hugging. I don’t know just how much him or his campaign are actually behind that, at all, but I found it outrageous, and have said so. You exposed yourself here, honestly. You make it all much about personalities, and supporting “your man.” That’s not what it should be about, at all. It should be about principles, and supporting the one who best represents them. And if they fall short, call them out on it, to push them back in the right direction. All this hero worship of Trump is why he’s so comfortable doing what should be unacceptable things.
Exactly. Some of us will never let this issue go, even if we live to see the banning/burning of Bibles, and us being incarcerated for even having such thoughts. That’s the secret but primary goal of the whole indoctrination program that’s going on right now.
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To: backpacker_c
However, the desantis campaign doesn't appear to have said they didn't produce it inhouse.
So why then are you so upset about this video? Because it beings attention to Trump being pro-gay is my guess. He’s done a good job of keeping that hidden from the average person, so I think the video was right on target.
3 posted on 7/24/2023, 6:41:45 AM by Golden Eagle (Ultra Conservative)
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You made that up, completely, as best I can tell.
I made up what you said in post #3? Nice try.
That’s not what Trump has said at all.
Also a nice try on implying that I said Trump said that, when I clearly said you said that about Trump.
All this hero worship of Trump is why he’s so comfortable doing what should be unacceptable things.
You mistake people being grateful for his sacrifice for this nation ais being unwarranted hero worship. I feel the same way towards George Washington, & all the fore fathers that sacrificed themselves to create this nation.
They all were heroes, & Donald John Trump is also a hero. He didn't have to step up for this nation. People that step up, deserve to be thought of us heroes.
It's a shame that you do not see what he has sacrificed for this nation. Instead, you think you're special because you point out peoples failures, & in the case of Donald John Trump, unfairly so in my opinion.
Ridiculous, and pathetic. You’ve done nothing but try to put words in my mouth this whole thread, starting with the lie I was calling for violence against gays. Then you put words in Trump’s mouth claiming he said he only wants to protect them, when the real quote is he is fighting for them. Not responding to you again, considering your complete lack of honesty and insistence to make false allegations.
No, I used your own words against you. Perhaps you chose your words unwisely. That’s still not my fault.
There you go, mis-representing things again.
So the desantis campaign did not say the video was made by someone else, which you would say if the video was not made inhouse.
Therefore the desantis campaign again went and had a twitter account pretend to create and tweet it, then had their social media team push it out.
Because they knew the video was controversial, and did not want the public to know they made it themselves.
So they hide the origin of the video, for deniability.
Because the desantis campaign lies about things, and they lied with associating Trump with supporting the radical parts of the lgbtq movement with the video.
+1000
“Maggie Haberman revealed that the much-derided anti-LGBTQ video attacking ex-President Donald Trump was produced by a Ron DeSantis staffer and “passed off” to a supporter for publication.
The video appeared in the tweet to originate from another account, and merely retweeted and commented on by the official DeSantis campaign account:”
DeSwamp’s campaign is imploding. And it doesn’t appear that he will make a dignified departure.
Well, it’s hardly a political issue anymore. It’s been taken out of the hands of the politicians, just like abortion got taken out of their hands by Roe v. Wade.
The only real political angle left to it is if you want to demand that candidates would appoint judges that would reverse Obergefel, just like we had to hold their feet to the fire to appoint judges that would reverse Roe. Other than that, it’s just one of those pointless issues that the party would rather having us arguing about instead of the things that really matter, like out of control spending (that the Republicans are just as responsible for as the other guys), illegal immigration (ditto), etc.
You can't be serious. You are very wise poster, in my experience, and you can't honestly believe that the LGBT issue is no longer an issue? Be more specific, please. Do you mean we lost, already, so should just give up at this point? Or that politicians have no ability to enact policies or legislation that affect it? On either one, really?
What about these queers trying to force churches into having ceremonies at the church, that the churches themselves don't want to hold? You think that's a dead issue, now? They should just give in, even though a recent Supreme Court ruling appears to support their rights to say no? Surely you don't expect the queers to give up on it, do you?
I personally see this as the pre-imminent issue of the 21st century, just like abortion was the main issue of the 20th century, after civil rights. Of the three, only civil rights is pretty much settled. But on the issues of baby killers and sodomites, the fight goes on. And will, indefinitely. Not just because the Bible says we should, but because it's a matter of life and death. Aborted babies die instantly, of course, but the average lifespan of a homosexual is only 50 years old, and, they can't naturally reproduce.
No, I said it's hardly a political issue. As in, there is very little that politicians can do about it anymore. I'm sure that won't stop them from campaigning on the issue, or making all sorts of promises about it, but the fact is they can't overrule the Supreme Court without passing an amendment, and they can't pass an amendment. So the issue has been removed from the hands of politicians. Therefore, it's not much of a political issue anymore, by virtue of the fact that politicians have no power to do much of anything about it.
"What about these queers trying to force churches into having ceremonies at the church, that the churches themselves don't want to hold? You think that's a dead issue, now?"
That's not much of an issue, since the 1st Amendment protects the churches from that kind of thing. And if they did get some court ruling that overruled the 1st Amendment, then what could the politicians do about that? Pass a law to override the courts? No. Pass an amendment to override the courts? No. So, in that case, again, it would be out of the politicians' hands, except for trying to appoint judges who might rule some different way in the future.
"I personally see this as the pre-imminent issue of the 21st century, just like abortion was the main issue of the 20th century, after civil rights."
Maybe, but it can be an important issue and still not a political issue at the same time. For example, after Dred Scott, slavery wasn't much of a political issue, since the Supreme Court had ruled. Politicians could not override that, and yet, it still remained the most pre-eminent issue of the day. Just not one that could be resolved politically.
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