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To: SeekAndFind

Buckley wasn’t who a lot of us thought he was towards the end.
He erred when he fired Sobran and Francis, in my opinion.


2 posted on 07/26/2023 10:18:22 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton

I remember Sobran, who was the other guy?


4 posted on 07/26/2023 10:37:03 PM PDT by Bethaneidh
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To: Dalberg-Acton
He erred when he fired Sobran and Francis, in my opinion.

Ironically, in the mid 1980s, NR published Sobran's "Pensees." WFB heaped praise on it, calling it "the conservative manifesto." He predicted that Sobran would become a leading luminary of conservative philosophy.

Only five or six years later, WFB fired Sobran over the latter's criticism of Israel and its lobby.

9 posted on 07/26/2023 10:49:30 PM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Agreed

Neocons took over to this day


15 posted on 07/26/2023 11:34:53 PM PDT by wardaddy (Why so many nevertrumpers with early sign ups and no posting history till now? Zot them PTB)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

Sobran, Francis, Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak to a degree all warned Buckley about neoconservatives. They were right.


24 posted on 07/27/2023 4:32:26 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Dalberg-Acton

“Buckley wasn’t who a lot of us thought he was towards the end.”

Buckley never “retired” from the CIA.

The Deep State quickly figured out that the easiest way to “win” was to control both sides of the debate.


38 posted on 07/27/2023 8:13:51 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

“Buckley wasn’t who a lot of us thought he was towards the end.
He erred when he fired Sobran and Francis, in my opinion.”

Exactly. And that was far worse than error. It was capitulation to some influential neocons who had always despised actual conservatives. They still do.

But Buckley is to blame for the ruin of National Review. It was WFB who turned over his magazine to the useless sissy Rich Lowry. It only has gotten worse over time.

I remember hearing that Buckley had a sister who played a much bigger role in running NR than he did, back when it featured great writers. For me that was late ‘70s to maybe 1989. I suspect that NR went to hell after she retired or died.

Joe Sobran, Sam Francis, Chilton Williamson and some other NR refugees migrated over to Chronicles magazine and it became the redoubt for paleo and populist conservatives. The roots of MAGA were there 30 years ago.

I went to some NR fundraiser in Newport Beach in the early 1990s when we in California were battling illegal immigration with Prop 187. That NR crowd was utterly indifferent to what we were trying to do, just like the Bush GOP toadies that they had become.


41 posted on 07/27/2023 8:24:18 AM PDT by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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To: Dalberg-Acton

And when he said it was all right to kill Terri Schiavo.

Unbelievable! One can only hope that it was due to senility...
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PS: I also really liked Joseph Sobran!


60 posted on 07/28/2023 7:31:26 AM PDT by Chicory
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