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China's economy is in trouble and, of course, they are trying to hide it
Hotair ^ | 08/15/2023 | John Sexton

Posted on 08/15/2023 8:51:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Ever since China suddenly abandoned its zero-COVID police in the wake of protests, there have been pretty clear signs that the country’s economy was not recovering as Xi Jinping probably hoped it would. In March a very pro-China columnist for the South China Morning Post warned that Xi was making a mistake by leaning into communist nationalist too hard. Chinese business leaders were worried about it too.

Interviews with more than a dozen Chinese entrepreneurs, venture investors and analysts found widespread concern about Beijing’s approach to private enterprise, just as the country is trying to recover from three years of Covid lockdowns. Despite reassuring comments from Communist Party leaders, they worry China’s pro-market stance won’t last.

Even more worried were foreign investors who saw the rollout of a new espionage law as a vague threat that could be used against them at almost any time. Companies who invest millions in another country like to do some due diligence on the market and competitors, but now all of that kind of information gathering was potentially a crime.

But the core of China’s problem was real estate. For decades the country has experienced a boom in housing with people sometimes buying 3 or 4 houses as a legal way to invest their money and make a profit. But lately the real estate market seems to be on the verge of collapse. One major developer has already gone bust and another, called Country Garden, now looks to be on the verge of collapse.

Country Garden, a Chinese real estate giant, has lost billions of dollars and racked up $200 billion in unpaid bills. It’s on the hook to deliver, by one estimate, nearly one million apartments across hundreds of cities in China…

Even as other developers stopped paying their bills, Country Garden continued to make good on its obligations. It began to rely more heavily on the revenue from selling apartments before they were finished and using that money to help finance its operations.

A slump in home buying this year has placed the company in a crisis, facing what it described as the “biggest difficulties since its establishment.”…

In early August, Country Garden skipped two interest payments on loans. If it does not pay up by early September or get the creditors to give it more time after that 30-day grace period, it will default. Investors are not likely to lend it more money if that happens. The company’s share price has fallen below $1 in Hong Kong.

Country Garden cut about 30,000 jobs last year and so far there’s no sign that the ruling party is ready to write the company a check to cover the losses. On the contrary, Xi Jinping could mandate that the company deliver on the hundreds of thousands of apartments it promised to build even if the company has no money to pay its workers or suppliers. How long that could last is anyone’s guess.

This is happening as other developers already owe suppliers an estimated $390 billion. You begin to see how a few defaults would ripple through the economy, possibly causing many more companies to go out of business, putting lots of people out of work and demolishing the investments of hundreds of thousands of families.

There’s already evidence that China has a serious problem with youth unemployment but as of this week, the country has decided to stop reporting the numbers.

The Chinese government, facing an expected seventh consecutive monthly increase in youth unemployment, said Tuesday that it had instead suspended release of the information.

The unemployment rate among 16- to 24-year-olds in urban areas hit 21.3 percent, a record, in June and has risen every month this year. It was widely forecast by economists to have climbed further last month.

The decision to scrub a widely-watched report could exacerbate the concerns expressed by investors and executives who say ever-tightening government control of information is making it harder to do business in China.

The Chinese bureau which publishes these statistics has previously withheld a report on consumer confidence which was expected to have bad news. The conclusion of close observers of China’s economy is that Xi has decided to stop reporting bad news because he’s afraid people inside China will panic. And it’s true that inside China he has pretty substantial control of what gets reported and what narratives are allowed to circulate. He can simply refuse to allow people to learn about it or talk about.

But outside China this decision is having the opposite effect. Foreign investors who were already nervous about the new espionage law are now going to be even more nervous about the state of the country’s economy. That will only make things worse.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; China; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brics; china; deflation; economy
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1 posted on 08/15/2023 8:51:38 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
With the recent downgrade of US Treasury Debt ratings, by Fitch, one would be justified in saying that the USA's finances are in disarray and there's reason to worry...

The United States' debt-to-GDP ratio at the close of fiscal year 2022 was 97 percent. While this figure is down slightly from 100 percent in 2020, a 74-year high, the nation's fiscal outlook is still on an unsustainable path. Debt held by the public is on track to exceed GDP in 2024 and climb to 119 percent in 2033.

But, COMPARE THIS TO CHINA !!

China has nearly 300% debt/gdp... only the terminal economic basket case that is Japan is higher.


2 posted on 08/15/2023 8:59:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

bkmk


3 posted on 08/15/2023 9:03:21 PM PDT by sauropod (I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have a friend who recently retired from doing things in the shadows. A real patriot who left Washington because of “wokeness”. This person saw a lot of intel. They surprised me yesterday by saying that China is screwed.


4 posted on 08/15/2023 9:08:50 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (1218 - NEVER FORGET!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Add to that the people are quitting in propping up their government through being productive.


6 posted on 08/15/2023 9:20:15 PM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait until China has huge financial problems and wants the other BRIC countries to carry the ball....


7 posted on 08/15/2023 9:30:21 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: SeekAndFind

With all that is occurring economically ahd from their attempts to control nature faiking horribly, thank God all of this hitting them so hard, to prevent any immediate thought to going after Taiwan.


8 posted on 08/15/2023 9:34:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mein Führer:

The USA is kaput. Their banks have gone bust and they refuse to pay gold as promised on their bonds. They have people living in shacks in communities called Hoovervilles.


9 posted on 08/15/2023 9:37:37 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Article II, Section 2: "The President...may require the opinion, in writing,...upon any subject...")
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To: SeekAndFind

China has apartments without people and the USA has people living in tents and RVs.


10 posted on 08/15/2023 9:39:08 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Article II, Section 2: "The President...may require the opinion, in writing,...upon any subject...")
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“Even more worried were foreign investors who saw the rollout of a new espionage law as a vague threat that could be used against them at almost any time. Companies who invest millions in another country like to do some due diligence on the market and competitors, but now all of that kind of information gathering was potentially a crime.”

Here in the USA we would never have a legal system defective in any way whatsoever. Our legal system is 100% just from the US Attorney General on down.


11 posted on 08/15/2023 9:46:17 PM PDT by Brian Griffin (Article II, Section 2: "The President...may require the opinion, in writing,...upon any subject...")
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To: SeekAndFind

But BRICs????


12 posted on 08/15/2023 9:48:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: isthisnickcool

You know, their financial system is pretty shakey.

I mean the sort of shakey that makes ours look pretty sound.

I think the natives are restless too.

One day there is going to be big changes over there.


13 posted on 08/15/2023 9:52:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A tried and true remedy for economic woes at home is military adventurism abroad. Taiwan and China’s other neighbors should be nervous.


14 posted on 08/15/2023 10:04:00 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe Biden to rush major aid package to them. (satire)
Would anyone be surprised to see that?


15 posted on 08/15/2023 10:23:47 PM PDT by frank ballenger (You have summoned up a thundercloud. You're gonna hear from me. Anthem by Leonard Cohen)
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To: SeekAndFind

Watch “China Uncensored” on youtube. The host goes into excruciating detail on how totally ridiculous Chinese real estate is. It’s held together with bandaids and wishful thinking.

CC


16 posted on 08/15/2023 10:54:34 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: frank ballenger

no


17 posted on 08/15/2023 11:21:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the USofA & to the Constitutional REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: isthisnickcool

With such high unemployment of the young, they may need to start a war to stop a revolution.


18 posted on 08/15/2023 11:44:34 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings )
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To: Trabble5

The entire woke world is getting ready to crater financially. I really don’t see a single country escaping the world wide recession/ depression that’s coming. The regional wars that will also come about will be additional harsh.


19 posted on 08/16/2023 12:51:13 AM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored !)
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There is a shortage of young people due to decades of the one-child policy. Nevertheless, the economy can’t provide sufficient jobs for them.


20 posted on 08/16/2023 1:10:22 AM PDT by Chad_the_Impaler
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