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Five Years Later, Philadelphia's Soda Tax Is Falling Flat
Reason ^ | 9.13.2023 | John Stossel

Posted on 09/14/2023 9:18:32 AM PDT by nickcarraway

The city wanted to bring in more money, in part for early childhood education. But such taxes are disproportionately paid by the poor.

Want a soda? You'll pay more for one in Philadelphia, because five years ago, local politicians decided to tax it.

They're "protecting" people, they said. The tax would "reduce obesity" and "lower diabetes rates."

But their main goal was to bring in more money, which they said would "fund early childhood education" and "help a lot of families."

I reported on this five years ago, right after the tax went into effect.

My new video updates what happened.

Store owners hated the new tax.

"Bad tax!" said Melvin Robinson, who runs Bruno's Pizza. He says few customers now buy soda from him.

One of his customers told me, "I refuse to buy soda in Philadelphia."

"Twenty-ounce soda, almost $3!" complained another.

Bruno's is located right on the outer edge of Philadelphia, so his customers can cross the street and buy untaxed soda.

But they still go back to Bruno's for pizza. "Best slice in town!" gushed one.

I confronted then–City Councilman William Greenlee with the store owners' complaints.

"Nothing else that we could come up with could raise that kind of funding," he said.

Soda taxes are disproportionately paid by poor people. Even Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) said, "You don't have to fund child care on the backs of the poorest people!… That's a regressive way."

"It hits the poor most," I repeat to Greenlee.

"I didn't know Bernie opposed it," he laughed. "We're raising enough money to put 2,700 kids in pre-K and to open 11 community schools!"

"Preschool?!?" snarled a Bruno's customer. "I doubt that."

As with most taxes, the soda tax had an unintended consequence: Alcohol sales rose 5 percent.

"People buy more liquor," I shout at Greenlee. "Less Coke, more liquor!"

Greenlee laughs and says, "We have a liquor tax, too!"

Politicians do like their "sin" taxes.

Denmark passed one on saturated fat but quickly repealed it when Danes crossed the border to shop in other countries.

But Philadelphia isn't repealing anything.

People who live there already pay 44 taxes, including a higher income tax than other cities impose.

"You should be rolling in money," I say to Greenlee.

"I don't know about that," he replies. "There's a lot to do out there."

Politicians like to do "a lot" with other people's money. Philadelphia spent $4 million of the soda tax money on an office of arts and culture, and hip-hop dance instruction that teaches "youth empowerment."

When I scoffed at that, Greenlee said, "The office of arts and culture does a very good job."

Bruno's customers aren't convinced. "Like we need that!" exclaims Robinson, sarcastically. "People are trying to live!"

I told him that the politicians said they need more money.

"Stop stealing!" he responds.

I don't know that Philadelphia politicians steal, but councilmembers make $121,000 a year, three times the local median income.

"I don't think that's terribly unusual for elected officials," Greenlee says.

Sadly, he's right.

Five years later, Greenlee is no longer in government. Restaurant owner Robinson still sells pizza. He survived the soda tax.

Philadelphia did use some of the soda tax money to open preschools. Whether the schools are well-run—or just waste—I don't know.

Most of the tax money did not go for education. Most was just dumped into the city's general fund.

Now the politicians spend it on whatever they want.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: bloggers; pennsylvania; philadelphia; soda; sodatax; taxes
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1 posted on 09/14/2023 9:18:32 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 09/14/2023 9:22:06 AM PDT by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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And America’s average I.Q. continues to fall with every new tax the RAT politicians come up with.


3 posted on 09/14/2023 9:24:59 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Try That In A Small Town" - Jason Aldean rules!)
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Maybe they should try taxing actual sins. Theft, adultery, use or possession of graven images.


4 posted on 09/14/2023 9:30:31 AM PDT by proxy_user
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I remember the discussions here at FR when the tax was passed. We correctly predicted that people would change their buying habits (but not consuming habits) accordingly. Yes, some (mainly those on SNAP benefits) wouldn’t care or notice, but enough consumers would take note and travel to outside the tax zone to stock up on their favorite drinks, that the soda tax would not reduce the amount consumed nor increase the amount of tax collected.


5 posted on 09/14/2023 9:30:56 AM PDT by CFW (I will not comply!)
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I remember that discussion—none of us thought it would increase alcohol consumption—lol.

That is the classic example of why central planning is a disaster—consumer preferences are very difficult to predict.


6 posted on 09/14/2023 9:34:13 AM PDT by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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pre-school.. government run free day care. I know first hand of people who have enrolled their kids in preschool just so they didnt have to pay child care while mom and dad work. They are not fans of summer vacation either because of the “ burden” of raising their own children. shm, disgusting.


7 posted on 09/14/2023 9:35:47 AM PDT by Ikeon (Dont like what you see? then look away. )
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Taxing adultery? That will certainly make the job of auditor more interesting.


8 posted on 09/14/2023 9:38:39 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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“You don’t have to fund child care on the backs of the poorest people!… That’s a regressive way.”

Deficit spending is even more regressive than this tax, but Bernie doesn’t seem to mind. He embraces it, in fact.


9 posted on 09/14/2023 9:39:04 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-,)
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I remember the discussions here at FR when the tax was passed

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I do too. Illinois has had that tax since 2011.


10 posted on 09/14/2023 9:47:27 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (There are only two sexes, male and female but there are 57 different types of queers.)
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And yet the residents of Philadelphia will proudly tell you how they’ve always voted for Democrats all their lives and their whole family too!

You just can’t fix stupid.


11 posted on 09/14/2023 10:07:08 AM PDT by Obadiah
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Most of the tax money did not go for education. Most was just dumped into the city’s general fund.

If this tax was used to fund these education endeavors, it just leaves the other money from the tax roles to spend on other things. Government leaders should be setting priorities and determining if they can afford those priorities. Where the money comes from should not matter.

Pre covid, Portland Maine made buco bucks a parking meters and parking garages. That money just goes into the general fund and government leaders make parking management decisions based on other factors. (We are getting back to pre covid levels on mostno-property tax revenue sources).


12 posted on 09/14/2023 10:23:02 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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Taxes do change buying behavior. I was a frequent customer at Borders bookstore and had to purchase gasoline on a weekly basis. The city of San Diego imposed a higher sales tax. Fine. I made my Borders bookstore purchases in stores outside of San Diego. El Cajon imposed additional taxes on gas and vehicle sales. I stopped buying gas in El Cajon and purchased a $7,000 motorcycle from a dealer outside of El Cajon. My consumption practices didn't change, but I did adjust my retail locations to dodge the taxes.

As an aside, the motorcycle purchase also dodged CA taxes. I purchased it as an Idaho resident and the VIN was recorded for the first time in Idaho where I paid a significantly lower sales tax and registration fee. It was handled as a dealer to dealer transfer of a newly imported motorcycle.

13 posted on 09/14/2023 10:23:15 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: nickcarraway
The city wanted to bring in more money, in part for early childhood education.

This is inaccurate. It was sold as being ALL for early childhood education, which was a lie of course.

14 posted on 09/14/2023 10:23:42 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. F. B. I. is tending in that direction." - Harry S Truman)
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If that’s the bruno’s on cheltenham ave, north philly. I know a guy who was shot in the back there many years ago. crippled for life. As was the intent. He was a student at Tyler Art school.


15 posted on 09/14/2023 10:25:04 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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I spend some time in Philadelphia for work. I make it a point to not spend any money there whenever possible.


16 posted on 09/14/2023 10:41:34 AM PDT by cyclotic (It's a great time to live in America. It's like the collapse of the Roman Empire except with wi-fi)
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To: KarlInOhio
Taxing adultery? That will certainly make the job of auditor more interesting.

They'll snatch money wherever they can...

17 posted on 09/14/2023 10:45:02 AM PDT by null and void ( Fall Is Here: Pumpkin Spice-Scented Children Presented To Joe Biden)
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I fled Philadelphia in 1982. I have zero in common with these people.


18 posted on 09/14/2023 11:34:18 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The Delay Trump’s trial, delay. Elect Trump President. Trump pardons himself. )
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Reminiscent of Bloomberg’s attempt to outlaw soft drinks greater than 16 oz. At least he didn’t try to tax them.


19 posted on 09/14/2023 12:06:40 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.6 )
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yes, I remember Mayor Bloomberg wanting to ban the big gulp type drinks. Some of these politicians have some crazy ideas.

That just sets up failure to achieve anything. If you ban large size drinks, people will just buy more smaller sized drinks. It’s foolish to even try to do that sort of thing.


20 posted on 09/14/2023 12:47:31 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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