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The demographic implosion of Ukraine: Women fleeing Ukraine and finding new partners while men find death at the front
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Posted on 09/16/2023 12:53:58 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook

Alexander Demenchuk, rector of the Faculty of Political Science in Kyiv: “There is a lack of children, therefore a lack of future. Young women from the upper middle classes with excellent rates of schooling have left. And what is even more serious is that well over half of them do not intend to return to Ukraine. The children study in German, Polish, Austrian, French or Dutch schools. The mothers immediately found jobs,” writes the paper, adding: “We initially thought the European reception policy (for Ukrainian refugees) was a miracle of generosity, but it has turned out to be a curse.”

“Most of my best employees quickly found employment in Poland and France. Our industries are not working, there is a lack of market. None of them will return,” says Sergei, an entrepreneur in the IT field with offices scattered across the country.

He also tells the stories of soldiers abandoned by their wives to couple with men from other European nations.

“My wife with our two children aged 5 and 7 had left for Germany in the first days of the war. Since then, we were in contact less and less. And now I’ve discovered that she’s found a new companion,” said 40-year-old Alexei to Italian journalists. Despite the man fighting for his country near Bakhmut, he was abandoned for another man.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: propaganda; russialosing; russianlies; tokyorose; trollnoobie
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1 posted on 09/16/2023 12:53:58 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

History repeats itself.


2 posted on 09/16/2023 12:58:23 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

From the article:

“The paper says the demographic collapse goes all the way back to the time of independence in 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union. At that time, Ukraine’s population stood at 52 million. By 2001, it had dropped to 48.5 million, and right before the invasion, it stood at only 42 million, a fall of 10 million since 1991.

“These figures are consistent with population declines in all former Soviet republics, but the biggest blow came in the opening weeks of the war, which caused women and children to flee abroad en masse, given that the government had immediately banned the departures of men between the ages of 18 and 65. And today, the resident population is estimated at between 28 and 31 million,” writes the Italian newspaper.”

““My wife with our two children aged 5 and 7 had left for Germany in the first days of the war. Since then, we were in contact less and less. And now I’ve discovered that she’s found a new companion,” said 40-year-old Alexei to Italian journalists. Despite the man fighting for his country near Bakhmut, he was abandoned for another man.”

Their fearless leader Zelensky has vowed to fight to the last man. It is a suicide pact. The wife has made the decision to start a new life with the very real possibility that her 40 year old husband will not make it back.


3 posted on 09/16/2023 1:04:51 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook
Shouldn't surprise anyone. Women are very quick to change horses when heir men have to be called away

While I was in Vietnam, within just a few months we started to get the Dear John letters. Wives, girlfriends, started to find new partners rapidly and it definitely had an effect on our morale.

Our XO even had a bulletin board made up so we could post their Dear Johns for everyone to read. We quickly discovered that they all had the same format and said pretty much the same thing and after a while, we realized that women are fickle, and we were all in the same boat.

When I got home, I was amazed to see what women were settling for - but it's the way of the world.

4 posted on 09/16/2023 1:07:20 PM PDT by Chainmail (How do I feel about ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

How do you say Jody in Ukrainian?


5 posted on 09/16/2023 1:12:26 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: Chainmail

There’s a saying: “The wife will bring a date to her husband’s funeral”.


6 posted on 09/16/2023 1:14:25 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

European men must be quite DESPERATE to be hooking up with Ukrainian women...but then, having met some European women, I guess I can see the situation of the men there.


7 posted on 09/16/2023 1:18:15 PM PDT by BobL (I own an F150 so that I can tow my boat all day Saturday and look Manly)
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To: Chainmail
While I was in Vietnam, within just a few months we started to get the Dear John letters. Wives, girlfriends, started to find new partners rapidly and it definitely had an effect on our morale

I was the shoulder for a couple of military guys I knew in Iraq who received that news - via email in this day and age. I’ve never been a physical retaliation person, but I wanted to b*tch-slap the selfish women who sent those messages to their husbands while they were deployed.

I’m sorry for all of the troops in Vietnam who got those letters. So cruel and self-absorbed of those women back home to do that.

8 posted on 09/16/2023 1:23:01 PM PDT by Allegra (Free Kiryandil! Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
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To: fireman15
At that time, Ukraine’s population stood at 52 million. By 2001, it had dropped to 48.5 million, and right before the invasion, it stood at only 42 million, a fall of 10 million since 1991.

Did they use the same borders or is this the result of Russia chopping off parts?

9 posted on 09/16/2023 1:23:53 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Democrats' version of MAGA: Making America the Gulag Archipelago )
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True not good for Ukraine, but Russia is no better and probably worse. Starting with more numbers but Russian demographics has been in a free fall for decades abs is falling even faster now

Just look at average age of death for Russian men, but then again vodka ales are through the roof, esp in the front


10 posted on 09/16/2023 1:28:28 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

So, the smart ones that see a devastated country, with the possibility of being ‘repatriatdd’ to Russia, are skipping town and leaving ‘Dear Ivan’ letters.

Face it, dude, she’s written you off as dead, or as good as, and taken the kids to a safer quieter future.

Mo jobs, no infraztructure, no foodstuffs in the stores, and a whackjob “with a priapus for Putin” ...I would leave as well.


11 posted on 09/16/2023 1:29:04 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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"How do you say Jody in Ukrainian?

HA! Good one!

12 posted on 09/16/2023 1:33:23 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

It would be one thing if you were talking about a rational and decent cause..... But hoho women plainly view anybody who’d risk leaving them as widows for the sake of KKKomodimir Ichabodovich Zelensky and the nazi government in Kiev as losers


13 posted on 09/16/2023 1:35:53 PM PDT by ganeemead ( )
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

TTIUWOP’s


14 posted on 09/16/2023 1:36:08 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: BobL

My US born and raised daughter spent a year in Spain after her BS degree here. She liked European boys better than American boys. She said they were more mature and more respectful. I am thankful she did not marry there and settle down there.


15 posted on 09/16/2023 1:43:31 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trump sacrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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To: KarlInOhio
Did they use the same borders or is this the result of Russia chopping off parts?

Here is a map that changes from pre invasion until now.

One of the points of the article is that people were already leaving Ukraine in droves even before the “invasion”. The invasion made it easier for women and children to leave. Today, the resident population is estimated at between 28 and 31 million” dropping 10 to 12 milllion since the "invasion" began.

16 posted on 09/16/2023 1:45:53 PM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: KarlInOhio

“By 2001, it had dropped to 48.5 million, and right before the invasion, it stood at only 42 million, a fall of 10 million since 1991.”

Simple solution. Import 10 million refugees from Africa to make it as it was before.


17 posted on 09/16/2023 2:00:32 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Allegra

My wife’s younger brother was engaged before he went to Nam.

She married, someone else, and let my wife’s sibling know just before he left Nam on his 2 feet to come home.

On his way from Travis AFB to SFO he was spit on.

The pilot on his return home from SFO advised the guys to wear civilian clothes and shoes. They contacted his brother who lived about 2 hours away from where they landed.

His bro brought a brown bag of civilian clothes and a pair of sneakers the returnee had left at home. The new veteran left his travel uniform on the floor in the brown paper bag.

He met his future wife about 2 weeks later at home, and they had a great marriage until she had a terminal cancer, decades later..


18 posted on 09/16/2023 2:27:21 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Georgia just made Trump’s campaign he with a a-free image winning him nomination!))
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

so the neoCON scum have committed genocide against ukrainians under the guise of helping them. sick stuff


19 posted on 09/16/2023 2:43:39 PM PDT by imabadboy99
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

Like, this is nothing new. Why so surprised that people will 1.) protect their children and 2.) run from stupid wars and 3.) not return to a country that’s flattened?

Again, nothing new under the sun

Oh and Zelensky is an ahole, corrupt, a little gay and will flee when he gets enough western money


20 posted on 09/16/2023 2:51:19 PM PDT by Maskot (Put every dem/lib in prison........like yesterday!!! )
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